KU Self Cheating in Recruiting - Page 10

ChiefsCountry · 01-19-2009, 09:18 PM

And this was broke by the Springfield News-Loser, which is even more impressive.

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/989604.html

KU looking into Self's conversation with recruit

LAWRENCE | Kansas officials are aware that KU coach Bill Self had a brief interaction with top recruit John Wall during an NCAA evaluation period last Thursday night at a high school basketball tournament in Springfield.

Coaches are not allowed contact with recruits during an NCAA evaluation period other than to exchange greetings.

“Bill has brought it to our attention, and we’re still discussing just exactly what happened,” said Jim Marchiony, KU associate athletics director for external relations. “We’ll certainly discuss it with our compliance office.”

A column in the Springfield News-Leader detailed an exchange that took place between Self and Wall outside Wall’s locker room after his game had finished.

Self reportedly said to Wall, “Johnny, great win, man. You really played well.” Wall thanked Self, who then said, “I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win.”

NCAA rules define contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.”

The rules also state if a coach “positions himself in a location where contact is possible” it is considered a contact “regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” The rules say that if a coach is approached by a prospect, it is a not a contact as long as the coach doesn’t engage in more than a greeting and “takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.”

The News-Leader said Self “vanished” after the exchange with Wall.

Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, is rated the No. 1 overall recruit in the class of 2009 by Rivals.com. He visited Kansas for the team’s 2008 national championship ring ceremony on the weekend of Sept. 20. Wall, a native of Raleigh, N.C., will choose among Kansas, Memphis, Baylor, N.C. State, Oregon, Duke and Miami.

The KU athletic department is in the final year of a three-year NCAA probation for violations in men’s basketball and football. The basketball program has operated the past two seasons with 12 scholarships instead of the allotted 13

Craqhead · 03-09-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

the logic presented was that the coaching tree makes KU the end all of bball. Has nothing to do with championships. And I didn't present that argument, your brother did....

All I'm saying is ya can't deny the history or impact that KU has had on the collage BBall map.

I didn't even mentions the National Championships that KU has won.

**Lzen** · 03-09-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

Apparently DCS means so much that you all have to keep replying to him. And put him down.

He must be really insignificant...

I never said whether he was significant or not. But I have really noticed one thing lately, mikey. It's the fact that you seem to have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to KU/KU fans. Everything we say or do you want to take it and twist it to make it seem as though we are all just bad, bad people. That is just my observation. I don't believe I have ever had any issues or arguments with you in the past (not that I recall anyways) and that is not my intent. Just pointing out that you kind of sound like a whiney hater. Probably best to just ignore these KU threads if they/we annoy you that much.

**Lzen** · 03-09-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

I think they're just trying to point out the obvious to him. Don't be a ****tard.

Bingo. Just trying to point out the idiocy (perhaps hypocrisy is a better term?) of someone claiming that he does not give two ****s yet feels the need to let us know by posting in the thread full of people that he doesn't give two ****s about.

**Skip Towne** · 03-09-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

And yet, here you are.

Well put. Just more MUron jealousy.

**Reaper16** · 03-09-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

I think they're just trying to point out the obvious to him. Don't be a ****tard.

Mikey should have quoted doomy3's post, not Lzen's. Then Mikey would have had a point.

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 03-09-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

I never said whether he was significant or not. But I have really noticed one thing lately, mikey. It's the fact that you seem to have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to KU/KU fans. Everything we say or do you want to take it and twist it to make it seem as though we are all just bad, bad people. That is just my observation. I don't believe I have ever had any issues or arguments with you in the past (not that I recall anyways) and that is not my intent. Just pointing out that you kind of sound like a whiney hater. Probably best to just ignore these KU threads if they/we annoy you that much.

I think I've just given into becoming the whiney hater that Skip and many others have told I've been since day one. It's hard to be shit on buy those guys again and again and keep the high road.

I respect you Lzen in that you rarely act like a douche, but for Skip and several others, they are 80% douche (for Skip it's all the time). I'm just giving back what they dish out. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. My repsonses to them don't affect you, so it shouldn't be an issue for you or others that are respectful.

I think if you pay attention, I act reasonable towards those that treat others with respect.

The funniest part is it seems to me KU fans on here are the biggest offenders when it comes to interjecting KU into every topic, yet they are the fastest to cry about it when another team's fan posts in a KU thread... WHO THE **** CARES. IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD, POSTING IS WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. I don't care if KU fans give their opinions on KSU stuff, just stop making it a constant e-penis fight over how awesome KU is and how much KSU (or MU) sucks ESPECIALLY IF THE THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KU.

**Skip Towne** · 03-09-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

And here I go, unsubscribing.

Thanks

Pablo · 03-09-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

And here I go, unsubscribing.

Oh no. Cue Toni Braxton.

Un-break my heart
Say you'll love me again
Undo this hurt you caused
When you walked out the door
And walked out of my life

**Skip Towne** · 03-09-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

I never said whether he was significant or not. But I have really noticed one thing lately, mikey. It's the fact that you seem to have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to KU/KU fans. Everything we say or do you want to take it and twist it to make it seem as though we are all just bad, bad people. That is just my observation. I don't believe I have ever had any issues or arguments with you in the past (not that I recall anyways) and that is not my intent. Just pointing out that you kind of sound like a whiney hater. Probably best to just ignore these KU threads if they/we annoy you that much.

This. He comes around looking for trouble. And he's hurt when he finds it.

WilliamTheIrish · 03-09-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

This. He comes around looking for trouble. And he's hurt when he finds it.

Skip, the Tulsa sheriff.

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 03-09-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

This. He comes around looking for trouble. And he's hurt when he finds it.

**** YOU SKIP. I posted a correction to your post about a team's RPI the other day. You got all pissy over it and even took the time to Neg rep me because I posted that your number was wrong and the correct number. there was ZERO opinion and ZERO tone about anything, just simply correcting you. **** YOU. if you're going to post, make sure you know your facts, otherwise don't get butthurt when someone tells you you're wrong. Don't be any more a child that you already are.

I may pick a fight with you or another one of the KU twits about 15% of the time, but the rest of the time you pile on for NO reason other than our team allegiance. IMHO you deserve whatever you get after acting that way.

In your eyes even facts are bullshit because a k-stater posted them. I should have just put you on ignore a year ago you ignorant little dipshit...

Pants · 03-09-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

**** YOU SKIP. I posted a correction to your post about a team's RPI the other day. You got all pissy over it and even took the time to Neg rep me because I posted that your number was wrong and the correct number. there was ZERO opinion and ZERO tone about anything, just simply correcting you. **** YOU. if you're going to post, make sure you know your facts, otherwise don't get butthurt when someone tells you you're wrong. Don't be any more a child that you already are.

In your eyes even facts are bullshit because a k-stater posted them. I should have just put you on ignore a year ago you ignorant little dipshit...

Jesus, dude. He wasn't even talking about you. You really get worked up over this, don't you?

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 03-09-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

Jesus, dude. He wasn't even talking about you. You really get worked up over this, don't you?

re-read it bucko, he (Lzen) mentioned me by name and Skip (who's my biggest fan) replied directly to him.

**Skip Towne** · 03-09-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Skip, the Tulsa sheriff.

Yep, did you get mikey out of the same trash bin as Clemente?

Pants · 03-09-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

re-read it bucko, he (Lzen) mentioned me by name and Skip (who's my biggest fan) replied directly to him.

I'm sorry, man. I'm in my full dumbass mode today. I thought he was talking about DCS.

01-19-2009, 09:18 PM
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1451248	Self Cheating in Recruiting And this was broke by the Springfield News-Loser, which is even more impressive. http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/989604.html KU looking into Self's conversation with recruit LAWRENCE \| Kansas officials are aware that KU coach Bill Self had a brief interaction with top recruit John Wall during an NCAA evaluation period last Thursday night at a high school basketball tournament in Springfield. Coaches are not allowed contact with recruits during an NCAA evaluation period other than to exchange greetings. “Bill has brought it to our attention, and we’re still discussing just exactly what happened,” said Jim Marchiony, KU associate athletics director for external relations. “We’ll certainly discuss it with our compliance office.” A column in the Springfield News-Leader detailed an exchange that took place between Self and Wall outside Wall’s locker room after his game had finished. Self reportedly said to Wall, “Johnny, great win, man. You really played well.” Wall thanked Self, who then said, “I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win.” NCAA rules define contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.” The rules also state if a coach “positions himself in a location where contact is possible” it is considered a contact “regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” The rules say that if a coach is approached by a prospect, it is a not a contact as long as the coach doesn’t engage in more than a greeting and “takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.” The News-Leader said Self “vanished” after the exchange with Wall. Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, is rated the No. 1 overall recruit in the class of 2009 by Rivals.com. He visited Kansas for the team’s 2008 national championship ring ceremony on the weekend of Sept. 20. Wall, a native of Raleigh, N.C., will choose among Kansas, Memphis, Baylor, N.C. State, Oregon, Duke and Miami. The KU athletic department is in the final year of a three-year NCAA probation for violations in men’s basketball and football. The basketball program has operated the past two seasons with 12 scholarships instead of the allotted 13
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