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Old 03-25-2009, 02:55 PM   #1
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But how long before the wheels fall off?

Haven't you seen enough of that kind of shit with the Chiefs?
I'd rather TRY with guys like that and have the wheels fall off than do what we did last year and never take the training wheels off.
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Old 03-25-2009, 03:03 PM   #2
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I'd rather TRY with guys like that and have the wheels fall off than do what we did last year and never take the training wheels off.
I'm not sure I follow. The wheels had fallen off in 2006, yet Carl did nothing.

Albert, Niswanger & Taylor all saw a considerable amount of time. Sackintosh was another "old timer" signed by Carl that sucked. Alias Smith & Jones are both fairly young but they ****ing blow.

Keeping Weigeman around at age 36 wouldn't have exactly solved the offensive line woes.

The Chiefs failed to draft any offensive lineman one day one for nearly a decade. That's how the line came to suck.
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Old 03-25-2009, 03:07 PM   #3
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I'm not sure I follow. The wheels had fallen off in 2006, yet Carl did nothing.

Albert, Niswanger & Taylor all saw a considerable amount of time. Sackintosh was another "old timer" signed by Carl that sucked. Alias Smith & Jones are both fairly young but they ****ing blow.

Keeping Weigeman around at age 36 wouldn't have exactly solved the offensive line woes.

The Chiefs failed to draft any offensive lineman one day one for nearly a decade. That's how the line came to suck.
I think one of his biggest mistakes was not drafting Olineman when Roaf and shields were getting up there in age. I think he should of done that. So I can agree with you on that part.
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Old 03-25-2009, 03:10 PM   #4
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I think one of his biggest mistakes was not drafting Olineman when Roaf and shields were getting up there in age. I think he should of done that. So I can agree with you on that part.
Oh, they drafted offensive lineman. The problem is, they ****ing sucked.

Brett Williams, Jordan Black, Kevin Sampson and the All-Pro Will Svitek.

Suck, suck, suck and more suck.
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Oh, they drafted offensive lineman. The problem is, they ****ing sucked.

Brett Williams, Jordan Black, Kevin Sampson and the All-Pro Will Svitek.

Suck, suck, suck and more suck.
Okay they sucked buts that a different issue in general. That has more to do with bad evaluation and scouting. You can also throw in bad coaching too?

my point is, you still need veteran leadership, and of course it is important to find the right guys in the draft too.
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Okay they sucked buts that a different issue in general. That has more to do with bad evaluation and scouting. You can also throw in bad coaching too?

The Chiefs offense under Vermeil and Saunders (and Mike Solari) was fully capable of developing offensive lineman? That's not the issue.

The Chiefs scouting and drafting under Vermeil was simply awful. Without a doubt, the worst period in the history of the franchise.

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my point is, you still need veteran leadership, and of course it is important to find the right guys in the draft too.
If the "veteran leadership" is comprised of people like Willie Roaf and Will Shields, I'd say those are fine mentors.

If your "veteran leadership" is Sackintosh, Jones and the 'Wanger, not so much.
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Old 03-25-2009, 03:25 PM   #7
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I'm not sure I follow. The wheels had fallen off in 2006, yet Carl did nothing.

Albert, Niswanger & Taylor all saw a considerable amount of time. Sackintosh was another "old timer" signed by Carl that sucked. Alias Smith & Jones are both fairly young but they ****ing blow.

Keeping Weigeman around at age 36 wouldn't have exactly solved the offensive line woes.

The Chiefs failed to draft any offensive lineman one day one for nearly a decade. That's how the line came to suck.
Bringing in some established guys to bridge the gap between old and new is a sound move. However, like you said in subsequent posts, you absolutely HAVE to draft well so that you have guys that can step in when the old guys are no longer useful.
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