Cassel or Sanchez?

[KCBOSS1]

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Well, ****, sounds like we should be able to get a handful of these guys. Why haven't we already?

Sounds easy enough.

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And put a leprechaun with a pot of gold on that list too, goddamnit!

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by Mecca

You think NFL LB's are 220lbs what the **** are you smoking?

Yeah, some are. 220-240

The point being 4-3 LBs are not the size of a DE. However, Curry is the size of a 3-4 DE/LB. I think you know the point I was trying to make.

I sure as hell aint smoking Sanchez cock. So you can calm down, hot rod.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

I'm not buying all the arguements. I take the best player on the board.

FINALLY! We agree!

[Mecca]

I hope I never hear about Aaron Curry again, either that or I'm going to laugh my ass off when he's playing ILB and getting no sacks and people are going "why isn't he outside rushing the passer!"

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

FINALLY! We agree!

Did we trade down?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

I understand the arguement and the whole concept behind it. Where I get hung up is that you know more about what Curry can and cant do than anyone else. It's a canned arguement. It's the only one left as a reason not to take the best player on the board.

You dont know he "CANT" any more than I know he "CAN". Like I've said in previous posts, he's shown he can get in the backfield. He just wasn't asked to rush the passer. To assume he cant get into the backfield to rush the passer is somewhat unrealistic IMO.

I'm not buying all the arguements. I take the best player on the board.

But it's a completely relevant argument. If no NFL teams are drafting college OLBs to play DEs, then that means that professional NFL teams don't believe guys like Curry are fit to play 3-4 OLB. And the fact that guys like Merriman and Ware and Woodley are playing like all-world pro bowlers suggests that NFL teams are right.

So let's see....
-History says that OLBs don't make good 3-4 OLBs
-History says that Curry is smaller than almost every 3-4 OLB in the game
-From a skill set standpoint, 3-4 OLBs require you to be an outstanding pass rusher who happens to know how to play some OLB. A 4-3 OLB requires you to be an outstanding OLB who sometimes rushes the passer. Like I said, drafting Curry to be a 3-4 OLB is like drafting a stud running back to primarily be a wide receiver just because he caught a few passes when he was in college.

We don't now if Curry can/cannot play 3-4 OLB. But there's a lot of historical evidence to say that it's not usual for a guy like Curry to play the position.

[philfree]

I've heared all the financial reason why the Chiefs shouldn't draft Curry at #3 and same goes for drafting another OT. Would those things be any worse then giving $20mil plus guaranteed money to a QB who only has 16 starts?


PhilFree

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But it's a completely relevant argument. If no NFL teams are drafting college OLBs to play DEs, then that means that professional NFL teams don't believe guys like Curry are fit to play 3-4 OLB. And the fact that guys like Merriman and Ware and Woodley are playing like all-world pro bowlers suggests that NFL teams are right.

So let's see....
-History says that OLBs don't make good 3-4 OLBs
-History says that Curry is smaller than almost every 3-4 OLB in the game
-From a skill set standpoint, 3-4 OLBs require you to be an outstanding pass rusher who happens to know how to play some OLB. A 4-3 OLB requires you to be an outstanding OLB who sometimes rushes the passer. Like I said, drafting Curry to be a 3-4 OLB is like drafting a stud running back to primarily be a wide receiver just because he caught a few passes when he was in college.

We don't now if Curry can/cannot play 3-4 OLB. But there's a lot of historical evidence to say that it's not usual for a guy like Curry to play the position.

But we do know he can get in the backfield. We know he can cover. We know he has more speed than a conventional DE convert.

What does history say about those guys?

Size is generally the reason that guys dont convert from OLB to 3-4 OLB. Size is not he issue with Curry. He posses the size and strength to make the transition.

What if we dont run an exclusive 3-4 scheme?

[CrazyHorse]

I'm out for the night folks. I'll check in tomorrow. But it's shaping up to be the same circle jerk as usual. I think we all want the same thing in the end. A better team than last season. We just have different ways to go about it.

I hope we all get our wish in the end.

Good night.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

SANCHEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cassel will suck just watch and see. And when he does I would love for all the peeps on here that are anointing him the man to admit they have poor judgment. If I'm wrong I have no problem admitting that and will be happy. I am afraid he will suck and again i'll be watching a comedy show instead of a legit NFL team. You don't know how much I hope I'm wrong.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I hope I never hear about Aaron Curry again, either that or I'm going to laugh my ass off when he's playing ILB and getting no sacks and people are going "why isn't he outside rushing the passer!"

Oh I have a list. Draft bust championed by idiots is the sweetest nectar of revenge in all of in-house fandom.

Originally Posted by MadMax

SANCHEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cassel will suck just watch and see. And when he does I would love for all the peeps on here that are anointing him the man to admit they have poor judgment. If I'm wrong I have no problem admitting that and will be happy. I am afraid he will suck and again i'll be watching a comedy show instead of a legit NFL team. You don't know how much I hope I'm wrong.

What Max said.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by MadMax

SANCHEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cassel will suck just watch and see. And when he does I would love for all the peeps on here that are anointing him the man to admit they have poor judgment. If I'm wrong I have no problem admitting that and will be happy. I am afraid he will suck and again i'll be watching a comedy show instead of a legit NFL team. You don't know how much I hope I'm wrong.

Jeez, have another drink Mike then you might make sense.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Oh I have a list. Draft bust championed by idiots is the sweetest nectar of revenge in all of in-house fandom.




What Max said.

He won't be a pass rusher, but I think he's really unlikely to be a bust.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Messier

He won't be a pass rusher, but I think he's really unlikely to be a bust.

That really isn't the reason to use a top 3 pick on someone that's like going "Lets take a OT if he sucks atleast he can play guard"

[DeezNutz]

I'm surprised that the majority of the Curry folks haven't just stuck with the, "It's a weak class and I think he's going to be a tremendous ILB" argument.

At least this has validity, draft history be damned.