Chiefs Cassel or Sanchez? - Page 21

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 06:45 PM

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

CrazyHorse · 04-12-2009, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Mostly due to the fact he's overvalued.

He'd be Derrick Johnson in any other draft, likely a top 20 prospect.

I think he could be a dominant pass rusher. THat's not the favored view, but I think he could be.

Still, he's not a top 10 pick. End of story. I wouldn't pay him top 10 money.

And if I wouldn't you can bet your ass Pioli won't...

Yeah, I'm not that hung up on being 30 million under the cap again this year. I just want the best players available. If this draft doesn't have the best players, then that's just the market.

To let the money dictate who you pick is not a formula for success. That's the same as saying well, since there's no players worth 20 mill that we need, let's go after a 20 mill player anyway so we're thrifty.

That's grocery store thinking. Not NFL team building.

rad · 04-12-2009, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

What are the correct times of the morning and afternoon to pray to Matt Cassel, and is a gesture of supplication required?

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

If and when I meet Matt Cassel, do I address him as "Your Holiness" or "Most High"?

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Yes. It all makes perfect sense now. Am I allowed to make eye contact?

....of all people to make fun of worshipping a player.....you're such a hippocrate.

**Rausch** · 04-12-2009, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rad

....of all people to make fun of worshipping a player.....you're such a hippocrate.

Is this a mult or some n00b I need to pretend I've read enough of to form an opinion on?...

rad · 04-12-2009, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Is this a mult or some n00b I need to pretend I've read enough of to form an opinion on?...

RoR is the new and un-improved Darth Carlsatan, after being banned for being himself.

milkman · 04-12-2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony

Zach Thomas and Beisel are inside with DJ and Vrabel on the outside if we run a 3-4 this year. If we can trade down and get Raji or Brown I'll be happy, especially if we pick up a 2nd rounder and address right tackle.

DJ is not going to on the outside in a 34.

milkman · 04-12-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Shit. I'd be ecstatic if that was the case. Like this team couldn't use a decent ILB. And that gives us an excuse to go after Selvie next year.

And if this franchise could get another Willie Lanier, I'm not going to complain at all. Zero. Nada. Nilch. Nyet. Nein. (And if you want to talk about comparing players, Curry and Lanier have got a lot in common in their game and on the field make up.)

Don't even try to make that comparison.

Willie brought an intensity to the game that Curry hasn't even dreamed about.
Willie was a fierce hitter that made you drop your jaw.

Curry is a solid fundamentally sound tackler, but he isn't a bone crusher like Willie.

philfree · 04-12-2009, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I've heared all the financial reason why the Chiefs shouldn't draft Curry at #3 and same goes for drafting another OT. Would those things be any worse then giving $20mil plus guaranteed money to a QB who only has 16 starts?

PhilFree

Never got a reply on this. I wouldn't want to give that kind of money to a player who's gonna ride the pine for at least 1 year either.

As far Curry goes i think a lot of people think that an OLB in a 3-4 rushes the passer from a 3 point stance most of the time. There have been some do it that way but OLBs in the 3-4 play from a two point stance alot. LOLBs usually don't play with their hand in the dirt. I was watching a Steelers replay on NFLN last night and both of their OLBs where in a 2 point stance almost exclusively.

PhilFree

keg in kc · 04-12-2009, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Never got a reply on this. I wouldn't want to give that kind of money to a player who's gonna ride the pine for at least 1 year either.

I wouldn't expect any qb to start as a rookie, including a #1 pick. I'd rather groom them behind a vet. But that's just me.

As for Sanchez, I don't know. Stafford's the player I want.

As for what stance Curry comes out of, I don't think that's the issue for anyone. A lack of polished moves and experience is.

milkman · 04-12-2009, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I wouldn't expect any qb to start as a rookie, including a #1 pick. I'd rather groom them behind a vet. But that's just me.

As for Sanchez, I don't know. Stafford's the player I want.

As for what stance Curry comes out of, I don't think that's the issue for anyone. A lack of polished moves and experience is.

I'm with you as it relates to starting a rookie QB.

However, I've said of the two, Stafford or Sanchez, that Sanchez is more NFL ready and better equipped to start his rookie year than Stafford, and it appears that some of the draft gurus now see it the same way.

From a pure talent standpoint, Stafford would appear to have more upside.

But in watching a lot of both, I think Sanchez is going to be the better QB, because he just appears to have the intangibles that the great ones all have.

keg in kc · 04-12-2009, 07:24 AM

I haven't seen sanchez play much at all. I'm pretty concerned about the single year starting, though. That's not historically a good thing. But, hey, we're talking about a team that's starting a QB with one year of experience since high school.

philfree · 04-12-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm with you as it relates to starting a rookie QB.

However, I've said of the two, Stafford or Sanchez, that Sanchez is more NFL ready and better equipped to start his rookie year than Stafford, and it appears that some of the draft gurus now see it the same way.

From a pure talent standpoint, Stafford would appear to have more upside.

But in watching a lot of both, I think Sanchez is going to be the better QB, because he just appears to have the intangibles that the great ones all have.

People also say neither Stafford of Sanchez are gonna be as ready as Ryan and Flacco. I'm wary of both but although a Jr Stafford has over 30 starts and to me that holds alot of weight.

PhilFree

EyePod · 04-12-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Are you saying Mark Sanchez has bad completion percentage numbers...

Wow, way to ignore what I said! I said he doesn't have the starts. He doesn't have the continual increase of his completion % over those QUALITY STARTS. Oh, and Colt McCoy has a much better completion % and will be better than Mark Sanchez ever will. I just wanted to make sure that you remember that I said that. SO next season, when he's going at the top (as he should), remember me.

Hammock Parties · 04-12-2009, 07:38 AM

Doesn't McCoy play in the bleedin' spread?

milkman · 04-12-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I haven't seen sanchez play much at all. I'm pretty concerned about the single year starting, though. That's not historically a good thing. But, hey, we're talking about a team that's starting a QB with one year of experience since high school.

I'm not concerned about that one year of starting experience.

He at USC for four years, played in a pro set, is a hard worker both on the field and in the film room (reputed to be Manningesque in his dedication to film study), and has a level of maturity beyond most of the kids coming out.

milkman · 04-12-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

People also say neither Stafford of Sanchez are gonna be as ready as Ryan and Flacco. I'm wary of both but although a Jr Stafford has over 30 starts and to me that holds alot of weight.

PhilFree

I get that, but I just think Sanchez has the maturity to succeed.

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