Cassel or Sanchez?

[KCBOSS1]

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

was tom brady "that guy" his first year(top 2-3)??? nope why should cassel be expected to step in right off and be the tom brady of 2007???

Ummm... the first time Brady stepped in at QB (in relief of Bledsoe) was Brady's 2nd NFL season and hmmm, yeah they won the SB.

Is this really the path you want to take?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

the "system" will be pretty close here IMO and with TG??? bowe and surely someone else we will see. if bowe gets hit on the run he will be a beast

Jesus tits.

You did not just compare the Patriots offense to the Chiefs offense.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

the "system" will be pretty close here IMO and with TG??? bowe and surely someone else we will see. if bowe gets hit on the run he will be a beast

Ohhhh, ok. KC will be able to duplicate the NE system in one off-season. Got it!

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I doubt Brady would have repeated those stats either... but, let's not act as if 1 year proves that Cassel is in the same league as those two guys just yet. If he were, the Pats would have kept him and traded Brady.

i'm not acting like he's in that league... yet, read back i say multiple times people expect him to BE TB and TB wasnt TB his frirst year, he grew into it over multiple years, cassel showed that he has the ability to learn and grow so who knows what his upside is

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm pounding my fist because you keep insisting that Curry is an exception to the rule. Find me an example of an OLB who converted to play 3-4 DE. Lamar Woodley, James Harrison, Demarcus Ware, Greg Ellis, Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Kamerion Wimbley, Willie McGinest, Adalius Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Terrell Suggs, Jarrett Johnson, Jerry Porter, Matt Roth, Bryan Thomas, Calvin Pace. These are all the 3-4 OLBs in the NFL. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM played defensive end in college. And Harrison is the only one of them that is under 260 lbs.

I keep pounding my fist because you are suggesting that OLBs can convert to a 3-4 OLB. And I'm asking you to show me an example of when this actually worked? If it's so easy for big OLBs to move to 3-4 OLB, then why of the 16 3-4 OLBs are ZERO of them former OLBs? It's because in a 3-4 OLB role, rushing the passer takes priority over all the other things an OLB does. It's not good enough to be okay at rushing the passer. You have to be exceptional. Curry CAN rush the passer. But it's not a strength. Again, it's like asking a RB who occasionally caught a few passes in college but did it well to be an every-down receiver. Can Curry bullrush? Does he know the large assortment of pass rush moves like the swim move? Does he know how to fire off the snap? Curry spent his entire college career training to be a versatile linebacker. You are suggesting that he, an occasional pass rusher, has the same expertise as a college defensive end who practiced at the position for years. And that's a huge stretch.

We're talking about a #3 pick here. Curry has shown he can rush the passer, but can he do it exceptionally the majority of the downs? Haven't we learned our lesson about trying to make college players play out of position? There are 8 NFL teams that say that college OLBs don't make good 3-4 OLBs. 15 of 16 OLBs are over 260 lbs (Curry is not). For a 3-4 OLB, it's better to be a very good pass rusher who can learn to play average at the OLB position than an OLB who can learn to be an average pass rusher. Therefore, Curry does NOT belong on the outside in a 3-4. Nor does DJ. I will keep pounding my fist until you acknowledge that moving Curry to 3-4 OLB is not something NFL teams do.

I have never said he's the exception. Never said he could rush the passer. Only said there's no reason to think he cant. He's shown he can get in the backfield when asked.

Also said it dont matter. I'd take him either way.

I've also said that 4-3 LBs are not generally converted to 3-4 because of physical stature. You dont read what I say. You just pound the keyboard hoping that if you say the same thing over and over that it will apply.

But it doesn't. I'd take him at either position.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ummm... the first time Brady stepped in at QB (in relief of Bledsoe) was Brady's 2nd NFL season and hmmm, yeah they won the SB.

Is this really the path you want to take?

they had apretty good d then no???

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Jesus tits.

You did not just compare the Patriots offense to the Chiefs offense.

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ohhhh, ok. KC will be able to duplicate the NE system in one off-season. Got it!

wow guys did i say that our offense will be just like theirs??? NO, i said our "system" will be pretty close, you know the offense we will be trying to run

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i'm not acting like he's in that league... yet, read back i say multiple times people expect him to BE TB and TB wasnt TB his frirst year, he grew into it over multiple years, cassel showed that he has the ability to learn and grow so who knows what his upside is

Again, in Brady's first year of action - they won a SB. Sure, Cassel showed he's worth being a starter, but ...

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

they had apretty good d then no???

In 2008, the NE defense was ranked 6th in points allowed and 6th in yards allowed.

In 2001, the NE defense was ranked 7th in points allowed and 25th in yards allowed.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ummm... the first time Brady stepped in at QB (in relief of Bledsoe) was Brady's 2nd NFL season and hmmm, yeah they won the SB.

Is this really the path you want to take?

brady had 2843 yards 18 tds 12 ints yep thats top 2-3 qbs that year

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

wow guys did i say that our offense will be just like theirs??? NO, i said our "system" will be pretty close, you know the offense we will be trying to run

Ah... 'close'. There's your out for the time when the dung hits the fan.

[LOCOChief]

I went to a ballgame last night with a bunch of NE fans, and they found it comical when I told them the growing concensus of people on this board are hoping that KC picks Sanchez at 3 and that Cassel isn't a franchise talent.

Their thinking was "Merry Christmas KC" afterall these are fans that didin't miss a game with Cassel under center.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

my point is that MAYBE some of the YAC was BECAUSE of cassell's ball placement. some of that(alot IMO) is on him , just as much as the WRs

This needs to be emphasized.

While QB's may benefit GREATLY from a WR's ability to run after the catch, that same QB can single-handedly KILL a WR's ability to actually do it.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ah... 'close'. There's your out for the time when the dung hits the fan.

i dont care about an "out" i will stand by whatever i say. and i feel as though this will be a multi-year process.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This needs to be emphasized.

While QB's may benefit GREATLY from a WR's ability to run after the catch, that same QB can single-handedly KILL a WR's ability to actually do it.

thank you

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

brady had 2843 yards 18 tds 12 ints yep thats top 2-3 qbs that year

I never said Brady was a top 2-3 guy in his first year. I said he's been in a system that has helped him be a top 2-3 guy for the last half decade.

In his first season, he won a SB... who gives a shit what his QB rank was that year? Cassel had better stats in 2008 compared to Brady in 2001, but what does it matter... Cassel never saw post-season and his reward was being sent to KC.