Draft Predictions for Chiefs - Page 3

bigdreams1 · 04-24-2009, 11:10 AM

Chiefs draft Tyson Jackson at #3 or where we trade down to.
LDE Jackson NT Tyler RDE Dorsey (Dockett roll)
LOLB Vravel ILB Johson ILB Thomas ROLB: Hali, Robertson, McBride or draft pick

Tank Tyler was thought to be a 1st round talent at NT when he weighed 323 pounds. I think he put's back on the pounds and can play NT. He played NT at NC State and excelled. He would have been a first rounder if he didn't have the character issues. Tyson Jackson is a big run stuffer and that is what we need. He doesn't need to get sacks. He will free up our LB's to get sacks. I also think that Dorsey is perfect for the RDE position. If you look at Darnell Dockett and how he was used I see this as how they will use Dorsey. I think when you add Jackson to the mix things start looking alot better very quick. I think he is worth a #3 if we cannot trade out of it. Anyone else we pick will be a reach because we already have a QB and LT. Just my 2 cents. Any thoughts?

RippedmyFlesh · 04-24-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

there is a 0 percent chance of that happening

Agree
But the other way around is possible.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-24-2009, 07:38 PM

There won't be any deals to get out of this pick. We're stuck with it.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-24-2009, 08:53 PM

It has to be Aaron Curry.

I'm not convinced that Derrick Johnson can't play outside linebacker in a Lamar Woodley type role. DJ was our most effective blitzer off the edge, and didn't do a bad job with his hand on the ground the last 2 years.

Vrabel, Curry, Thomas, DJ wouldn't be too terrible.

BigChiefFan · 04-24-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It has to be Aaron Curry.

I'm not convinced that Derrick Johnson can't play outside linebacker in a Lamar Woodley type role. DJ was our most effective blitzer off the edge, and didn't do a bad job with his hand on the ground the last 2 years.

Vrabel, Curry, Thomas, DJ wouldn't be too terrible.

The D-line would still be dogshit. I like Aaron Curry, but I just can't see us giving that kind of money to a LBer. Top 10, yes? Top 3, not in my book. The position doesn't justify the price tag, IMO.

Messier · 04-24-2009, 09:19 PM

I think its looking more and more like we're taking Jackson. It always seems that when people start to agree on the pick in the last 24 hours, that's who it turns out to be. My only problem is that Jackson could be taken 5 or 6 picks later. But if there is no trade, I think it's Jackson.

BigChiefFan · 04-24-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

I think its looking more and more like we're taking Jackson. It always seems that when people start to agree on the pick in the last 24 hours, that's who it turns out to be. My only problem is that Jackson could be taken 5 or 6 picks later. But if there is no trade, I think it's Jackson.

Damn, I hope not. He basically compares to Vonnie Holliday.

Messier · 04-24-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Damn, I hope not. He basically compares to Vonnie Holliday.

DE's in the 3-4 are kind of unsung. They don't get alot of sacks or even tackles, they just occupy the Tackle so that the LB's can get through. It's not a position I would consider in the top five.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-24-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

The D-line would still be dogshit. I like Aaron Curry, but I just can't see us giving that kind of money to a LBer. Top 10, yes? Top 3, not in my book. The position doesn't justify the price tag, IMO.

Get over the pricetag shit.

It's not the draft to get a pass rusher at 3, and if you think paying an inside linebacker huge money is bad, then so is paying a right tackle. Raji has way too many red flags for me to consider that not a huge risk at 3. I'll take the safe linebacker over the red flagged DT any day of the week.

The D-line can be built over the year and they can slowly transition into a 3-4. Start DJ, Thomas and Curry at linebacker in the 4-3 and bring in Vrabel on passing downs.

You aren't fixing this defense in a year.

htismaqe · 04-24-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Get over the pricetag shit.

It's not the draft to get a pass rusher at 3, and if you think paying an inside linebacker huge money is bad, then so is paying a right tackle. Raji has way too many red flags for me to consider that not a huge risk at 3. I'll take the safe linebacker over the red flagged DT any day of the week.

The D-line can be built over the year and they can slowly transition into a 3-4. Start DJ, Thomas and Curry at linebacker in the 4-3 and bring in Vrabel on passing downs.

You aren't fixing this defense in a year.

Honestly, if they really want to give the money to a position that commands it, they need to take Crabtree.

BigChiefFan · 04-24-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Get over the pricetag shit.

It's not the draft to get a pass rusher at 3, and if you think paying an inside linebacker huge money is bad, then so is paying a right tackle. Raji has way too many red flags for me to consider that not a huge risk at 3. I'll take the safe linebacker over the red flagged DT any day of the week.

The D-line can be built over the year and they can slowly transition into a 3-4. Start DJ, Thomas and Curry at linebacker in the 4-3 and bring in Vrabel on passing downs.

You aren't fixing this defense in a year.

I agree, we aren't fixing the D, in one year, but I believe a NT is the most important piece of the 3-4defensive puzzle and should be priority one. Add to that, Raji is certainly considered a top 5 pick, so the value is there. Not to mention a top NT is justifiable to pay big money to, a run-stopping LBer isn't.

I just can't see us ignoring the most important piece of a 3-4 to some-what solidify our LBers, when this draft is DEEP for LBers and NOT FOR NTs, especially without a 2nd round pick. To me it's all about the value and the drop-off after that player is selected. If we lose Curry, there's several more choices, the same cannot be said for NT in this draft.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-24-2009, 09:58 PM

I don't consider Raji a top 5 talent. To me, he screams Ryan Sims when he was no stud before last season.

**HemiEd** · 04-24-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Honestly, if they really want to give the money to a position that commands it, they need to take Crabtree.

You have convinced me Parker, if you think he is good enough, lets get him.

There have been a lot of people saying he benifited from the system, but I wouldn't know.

But I have a feeling they are going to take one of the top OTs.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-24-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

But I have a feeling they are going to take one of the top OTs.

As much as I've railed against that, it makes the most sense if they can't trade out of the 3 hole.

Monroe or Smith would instantly give the Chiefs bookend tackles for the next decade.

And both are extremely safe.

Unlike Crabtree or Jackson.

**HemiEd** · 04-24-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As much as I've railed against that, it makes the most sense if they can't trade out of the 3 hole.

Monroe or Smith would instantly give the Chiefs bookend tackles for the next decade.

And both are extremely safe.

Unlike Crabtree or Jackson.

What do you think the chances are the Jackson deal leaked out?

I give it a snow balls chance in hell. No way Pioli would let that out, after the way he has guided that ship so far.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-24-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

What do you think the chances are the Jackson deal leaked out?

I give it a snow balls chance in hell. No way Pioli would let that out, after the way he has guided that ship so far.

I'm with you.

It just doesn't make any sense for this front office to somehow allow that info to become public.

Totally out of character.

04-24-2009, 11:10 AM
bigdreams1 Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Casino cash: $10004900	Draft Predictions for Chiefs Chiefs draft Tyson Jackson at #3 or where we trade down to. LDE Jackson NT Tyler RDE Dorsey (Dockett roll) LOLB Vravel ILB Johson ILB Thomas ROLB: Hali, Robertson, McBride or draft pick Tank Tyler was thought to be a 1st round talent at NT when he weighed 323 pounds. I think he put's back on the pounds and can play NT. He played NT at NC State and excelled. He would have been a first rounder if he didn't have the character issues. Tyson Jackson is a big run stuffer and that is what we need. He doesn't need to get sacks. He will free up our LB's to get sacks. I also think that Dorsey is perfect for the RDE position. If you look at Darnell Dockett and how he was used I see this as how they will use Dorsey. I think when you add Jackson to the mix things start looking alot better very quick. I think he is worth a #3 if we cannot trade out of it. Anyone else we pick will be a reach because we already have a QB and LT. Just my 2 cents. Any thoughts?
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04-24-2009, 08:53 PM	#33
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	It has to be Aaron Curry. I'm not convinced that Derrick Johnson can't play outside linebacker in a Lamar Woodley type role. DJ was our most effective blitzer off the edge, and didn't do a bad job with his hand on the ground the last 2 years. Vrabel, Curry, Thomas, DJ wouldn't be too terrible. __________________
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04-24-2009, 09:19 PM	#35
Messier MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $10005050	I think its looking more and more like we're taking Jackson. It always seems that when people start to agree on the pick in the last 24 hours, that's who it turns out to be. My only problem is that Jackson could be taken 5 or 6 picks later. But if there is no trade, I think it's Jackson.
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04-24-2009, 09:58 PM	#41
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	I don't consider Raji a top 5 talent. To me, he screams Ryan Sims when he was no stud before last season. __________________
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