Toyota Tundras frames rusting, guess they need to made from real steel.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by mmaddog

And BTW....

The US automakers didn't fall on hard times solely because the Union wages were too high.....quality was just as much a factor.

mmaddog
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I can only speak of past personal experience, but I have found this to be the exact opposite of the case. And this is coming from a guy when I was younger HATED american cars, and to this day I still HATE the way they look, but I have had much better luck with American cars in regards to dependability.

I've owned a 1997 Honda Prelude from 1999-2002. That thing broke down ALL the time. Everything busted, and when it did, it was not cheap. It had 55k miles.

I owned a 2002 Ford Ranger from 2002-2004. Never broke down once. Never. It was like new though, so it shouldn't break down.

I owned a 1996 Dodge Stratus from 2004-2006. The thing ran perfectly for 2 years before the water pump went bad. Then I sold it to some mexicans who just brought a jug of water with them, filled it up, and drove off. Not sure if they made it home or what.

I owned a 1993 Ford Taurus that was missing a portion of the front end from 2006 to 2008 and only had to replace the starter, which was dirt cheap. Thing ran fine. No problems at all. I just got sick of looking at it and chicks making fun of me for being the cheapest person alive and Dane making fun of me.

Now I have a BMW 5 series that is less than 6 years old with much less miles than my two previous beaters and this thing has been a complete hunk of shit. I've put over 3 grand worth of work into it since I bought it EIGHT MONTHS AGO. Central brake unit, radiator, timing belt, water pump, hoses, brakes, some intake, etc etc. I could go on and on.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by BWillie007

I can only speak of past personal experience, but I have found this to be the exact opposite of the case. And this is coming from a guy when I was younger HATED american cars, and to this day I still HATE the way they look, but I have had much better luck with American cars in regards to dependability.

I've owned a 1997 Honda Prelude from 1999-2002. That thing broke down ALL the time. Everything busted, and when it did, it was not cheap. It had 55k miles.

I owned a 2002 Ford Ranger from 2002-2004. Never broke down once. Never. It was like new though, so it shouldn't break down.

I owned a 1996 Dodge Stratus from 2004-2006. The thing ran perfectly for 2 years before the water pump went bad. Then I sold it to some mexicans who just brought a jug of water with them, filled it up, and drove off. Not sure if they made it home or what.

I owned a 1993 Ford Taurus that was missing a portion of the front end from 2006 to 2008 and only had to replace the starter, which was dirt cheap. Thing ran fine. No problems at all. I just got sick of looking at it and chicks making fun of me for being the cheapest person alive and Dane making fun of me.

Now I have a BMW 5 series that is less than 6 years old with much less miles than my two previous beaters and this thing has been a complete hunk of shit. I've put over 3 grand worth of work into it since I bought it EIGHT MONTHS AGO. Central brake unit, radiator, timing belt, water pump, hoses, brakes, some intake, etc etc. I could go on and on.

Just for grins and giggles I didn't even go into the other American cars I owned...

I owned a Ford Tempo and Taurus at the same time....trust me they were the epitome of the moniker Found On the Road Dead. Even after those debacles I tempted fate by buying a Ford Conversion Van...it ran good for 2 years before I saw the light and traded it for the aforementioned Dodge Grand Caravan.

I've owned one American made vehicle that I wish I had never gotten rid of.... a 69 GMC pickup.

I've owned a VW Rabbit and Mazda B-2000 and had no problems with them.

mmaddog
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[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by mmaddog

Just for grins and giggles I didn't even go into the other American cars I owned...

I owned a Ford Tempo and Taurus at the same time....trust me they were the epitome of the moniker Found On the Road Dead. Even after those debacles I tempted fate by buying a Ford Conversion Van...it ran good for 2 years before I saw the light and traded it for the aforementioned Dodge Grand Caravan.

I've owned one American made vehicle that I wish I had never gotten rid of.... a 69 GMC pickup.

I've owned a VW Rabbit and Mazda B-2000 and had no problems with them.

mmaddog
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My parents had a Ford Tempo they put nearly 200K miles on without a single non-maintenance issue before trading it in for something else.