Chiefs Chiefs ranked 15th best QB corp. Guess who's 32nd? - Page 7

-King- · 06-27-2009, 02:24 PM

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**Rain Man** · 06-28-2009, 02:40 PM

I believe that I proved statistically in an earlier thread that Elway was a lousy quarterback. Case closed.

Mile High Mania · 06-28-2009, 02:54 PM

How the hell did this thread morph into Elway, Montana...

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I believe that I proved statistically in an earlier thread that Elway was a lousy quarterback. Case closed.

Heh, I'm not taking the bait... you can 'prove anything' using statistics. Hell, statistically speaking, the Chiefs have a shot at a title in 2009. Statistically speaking, the Chiefs were the greatest team of the 90s and they did so little with all that power....

Statistically speaking, Clayton is a male and there are lots of needy women...

**RNR** · 06-28-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Nobody is saying Elway isn't a great QB. However having a "good season" with a lesser doesn't really mean all that much. You could have said the same about Montana taking the Chiefs to AFC Championship with JJ ****ing Birden.

It took an elite RB to really win the big thing. There is no shame in that.

Agreed had Hunt spent the money on a couple difference makers that year the Chiefs could have won a Superbowl with that Montana led team. From the neck up Montana was the best ever. Even as an aging QB he raised the talent around him on that team.

chiefzilla1501 · 06-28-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Elway was the only QB in the history of the NFL who could single-handedly carry teams to wins. If the rookies we drafted are good, we are a much better team with Orton than we were with Cutler.

Right.

Because Peyton Manning doesn't call audibles.
Because Tom Brady didn't do it with his pocket presence and quick release.
Because Kurt Warner didn't do it

And before you use your reeruned argument about how Elway had no one around him (because I know it's coming), I'm sure that Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey and the outstanding coaching of Mike Shanahan had NOTHING to do with Elway's success.

And your argument is suggesting that Kyle Orton will be as good as Kurt Warner, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Big Ben, etc... etc... etc.... QBs, who apparently wouldn't have made the Super Bowl if not for a superb supporting cast.

Again, even the Broncos' fans are disowning you. I thought the Simpsons had the biggest homer. But apparently it's you.

chiefzilla1501 · 06-28-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

How the hell did this thread morph into Elway, Montana...

Heh, I'm not taking the bait... you can 'prove anything' using statistics. Hell, statistically speaking, the Chiefs have a shot at a title in 2009. Statistically speaking, the Chiefs were the greatest team of the 90s and they did so little with all that power....

Statistically speaking, Clayton is a male and there are lots of needy women...

I hope there isn't a thread swerve.

Elway was an unbelievable QB and 99% of Chiefs' fans don't dispute that.

Case closed.

Quesadilla Joe · 06-28-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Right.

Because Peyton Manning doesn't call audibles.
Because Tom Brady didn't do it with his pocket presence and quick release.
Because Kurt Warner didn't do it

Those guys are good, but they aren't Elway. Peyton Manning had a great WR core his ENTIRE career.

Tom Brady is overrated. He wouldn't have one SB trophy if his team didn't cheat.

Elway only had comparable talent to what Warner had his last 4 years.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And before you use your reeruned argument about how Elway had no one around him (because I know it's coming), I'm sure that Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey and the outstanding coaching of Mike Shanahan had NOTHING to do with Elway's success.

AGAIN. That was Elway's last 4 years here. He went to 3 SB's with players like Ricky Natiel, Sammy Winder, Gerald Whilhite, Marc Jackson, Vance Johnson, Steve Watson, and Steve Sewell....
Here... Let me post this again because it seems like you missed it.

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“So far in Elway’s career, his offensive linemen and wide receivers have been voted to the Pro Bowl a combined seven times. In Dan Marino’s 15 seasons, Miami Dolphins offensive linemen and wide receivers have been selected to the Pro Bowl 30 times. … Though usually surrounded by a human rummage sale, Elway has won more games as a starter than any other quarterback in NFL history (148). He had more 4th quarter or overtime come from behnd victories than any other QB in history. (49) It’s the equivalent of carving Mount Rushmore with a spoon or composing Beethoven’s Ninth on a kazoo.
But Elway’s career has been about more than just winning. It has been about escaping defeat a half page from the end of the novel, leaping over pits of fire with the microdot hidden in his cigarette lighter. On first down Elway was ‘pretty average,’ his Stanford coach Paul Wiggin once said. But when the elementary school kids are being held hostage and the detonator reads 00:03, who would you rather have clipping the wires than Elway? He may be the only quarterback in history who could stand on his own two-yard line, trailing by five with less than two minutes to play, no timeouts left, windchill –5, and cause the opposing coach to mutter, ‘We’re in trouble.’” --Rick Reilly, Sports Illustrated, qtd. in Austin Murphy’s The Super Bowl: Sports Greatest Championship

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And your argument is suggesting that Kyle Orton will be as good as Kurt Warner, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Big Ben, etc... etc... etc.... QBs, who apparently wouldn't have made the Super Bowl if not for a superb supporting cast.

Again, even the Broncos' fans are disowning you. I thought the Simpsons had the biggest homer. But apparently it's you.

I never said Kyle Orton wouuld be as good as Joe Montana or Peyton Manning. Actually I said I think he could be one of the top 10-15 QB's in the league this year. I think Orton will be solid and he won't hold us back. We can win playoff games with Orton if Denver has a respectable defense.

All QB's need a really talented team to win SB's. It's just Elway can do more with less than any QB in NFL history.

milkman · 06-28-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Tom Brady is overrated. He wouldn't have one SB trophy if his team didn't cheat.

Oh, Jesus.

Shut the **** up kettle.

Quesadilla Joe · 06-28-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Oh, Jesus.

Shut the **** up kettle.

LaChapelle · 06-28-2009, 05:13 PM

Shanahan kept the Broncos on the cusp of the playoffs for over a decade. For some expecting anything less than 9 wins in a season, let alone more than one season. Is not a possiblility, that's just bat shit crazy. Times they change.

JOhn · 06-28-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Oh, Jesus.

Shut the **** up kettle.

No F'ing shit.

The Donkey fan calling another team out for cheating?

**BossChief** · 06-28-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Elway was the only QB in the history of the NFL who could single-handedly carry teams to wins. If the rookies we drafted are good, we are a much better team with Orton than we were with Cutler.

This might be the dumbest thing I have ever read concerning football.

That is a HUGE statement.

Just Passin' By · 06-28-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Those guys are good, but they aren't Elway. Peyton Manning had a great WR core his ENTIRE career.

Tom Brady is overrated. He wouldn't have one SB trophy if his team didn't cheat.

Do you even bother thinking before you post bullshit like this?

StcChief · 06-28-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JOhn

No F'ing shit.

The Donkey fan calling another team out for cheating?

Salary cap, schmalary cap...

cut blocking....

cooking spray is good...

forgetting to bring the correct color uniforms on the road...

shall the list go on....

Farzin · 06-28-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID

OH SNAP!!!!! Nice!!!

I'm writing this down Farzin. Good stuff.

Yeah...obviously it's always "good stuff" when someone just praises their team

Pablo · 06-28-2009, 06:25 PM

Mods..please change dickbag's name back to cutler1735 or whatever it was.

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