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Jethopper · 07-26-2009, 12:29 AM

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Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No one is arguing that Orton is worse than nothing.

We are debating with Homo 2724 that Orton is not better than Cutler.

I have said quite a few times the past few weeks that I know Cutler is better than Orton. That doesn't mean that Orton sucks, or that Orton won't play well this year.

The only thing I knock Cutler for is that he makes bad decisions, Orton doesn't.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Since you love to speculate...

McD screwed BB and Pioli imho.

I think he was supposed to go as a four way deal with Pioli, Vrabel and Cassel so BBs long time friend could have his "nest egg" so he could have a good chance at success on his own.

Mcd screwed the pooch!

He let the drunk in Denver talk him into signing up. Since that, BB and Pioli have been pissing in his cheerios!

Who do you think "leaked" the info about him trying to aquire MC? Mcd sure didnt, he is as tight lipped as Pioli about his current teams dealings, no?

Letting Cassel eventually go for so low was surely a buddy deal and another kick in the balls of Mcd.

Can you clearly state your position on Marshall, so we can all laugh when he is traded and you flip flop again.

Did you see him on total access? He basicaly said he will be traded and they were working on it.

Start slamming him now, so you dont look so foolish in the future.

Champ was on a radio show after they cut his brother Boss and stated he had all but lost half the lockerroom already.

who can blame them? I wouldnt trust a guy that doesnt have enough respect for his pro bowl qb not to lie right to his face...if you can do so to a qb, you could also do so to me.

The future few years will surely be interesting as Denvers front office will be competing with Pioli and ours for 3-4 personel.

You Chief fans are dreaming of the day when Denver is in all out rebuild mold like you guys have been. It's not going to happen. McDaniels has not lost the locker room. Half the team from last year is gone.

milkman · 07-26-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I have said quite a few times the past few weeks that I know Cutler is better than Orton. That doesn't mean that Orton sucks, or that Orton won't play well this year.

The only thing I knock Cutler for is that he makes bad decisions, Orton doesn't.

I don't know what you said the last few weeks, but this is what you've said today.

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Denver wasn't going anywhere with a turnover machine at QB and a defense that can't stop the run or the pass. Denver is going to be much better then we were last year.

And this.

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If Brandon Marshall comes back the offense should be better than it was last year. Orton actually had a higher QB Rating and TD/Int ratio than Jay Cutler had before he got injured in week 8.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't know what you said the last few weeks, but this is what you've said today.

Where in that post did I say Orton > Cutler?

Trading Cutler got us a good cover corner, and a good DE/OLB, and a safety first QB.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 11:29 AM

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If Brandon Marshall comes back the offense should be better than it was last year. Orton actually had a higher QB Rating and TD/Int ratio than Jay Cutler had before he got injured in week 8.

It should. We have a better group of WR's, a more experienced offensive line, a MUCH better backfield... I don't see how Denver's offense shouldn't be better than it was last year. We only scored 23 points per game.

milkman · 07-26-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Where in that post did I say Orton > Cutler?

Trading Cutler got us a good cover corner, and a good DE/OLB, and a safety first QB.

You do not specifically say that Orton is better than Cutler, but the implication is that Orton is better for the Donkeys.

A somewhat talented game manager is never better than a potential franchise game changing QB, regardless of system or circumstance.

Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You do not specifically say that Orton is better than Cutler, but the implication is that Orton is better for the Donkeys.

A somewhat talented game manager is never better than a potential franchise game changing QB, regardless of system or circumstance.

I just don't think Orton's play will hurt us. I think he can win games for us with what we have around him, and the system he is in.

Don't you think that Orton could have put up the exact same numbers that Cassel did if he was in New England last year instead of Chicago?

milkman · 07-26-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I just don't think Orton's play will hurt us. I think he can win games for us with what we have around him, and the system he is in.

Don't you think that Orton could have put up the exact same numbers that Cassel did if he was in New England last year instead of Chicago?

No I don't.

I haven't bought into the Casel bandwagon, but one thing I do know is that he is a far more accurate passer in the short to intermediate passes than Orton, and many of the yac yards they put up are the result of that accuracy.

I don't think Orton is terrible, but neither do I think he is nearly as good as you try to paint him to be.

bdeg · 07-26-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I just don't think Orton's play will hurt us. I think he can win games for us with what we have around him, and the system he is in.

Don't you think that Orton could have put up the exact same numbers that Cassel did if he was in New England last year instead of Chicago?

no and obviously neither does your coach

Quesadilla Joe · 07-26-2009, 11:53 AM

There is no doubt in my mind that Orton would have just as good if not better numbers if he was put in the same situation as Cassel. Heck Orton was putting up similar numbers with Rashied Davis and Devin Hester as his No 1 and No 2 receivers before he got hurt. Imagine what he could have done with Moss, Welker, Watson, that offensive line, and NE's coaching staff.

Tom Brady the year before Randy Moss and Wes Welker
87.9 QB Rating
3529 Yards
61.8 Comp %
24 TD's
12 Int's

Tom Brady after Randy Moss and Wes Welker
117.2 QB Rating
4806 Yards
68.9 Comp%
50 TD's
8 Int's

King_Chief_Fan · 07-26-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I just don't think Orton's play will hurt us. I think he can win games for us with what we have around him, and the system he is in.

Don't you think that Orton could have put up the exact same numbers that Cassel did if he was in New England last year instead of Chicago?

I can't get over a donkey fan coming to this board pimping his QB and expecting Chiefs fans to agree with him. You, don'tknowmo, are an idiot. Your coach coveted Cassel so bad, he drove of your qbotf. Sorry, Orton wasn't his first choice and in reality had to settle for him.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-26-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

There is no doubt in my mind that Orton would have just as good if not better numbers if he was put in the same situation as Cassel. Heck Orton was putting up similar numbers with Rashied Davis and Devin Hester as his No 1 and No 2 receivers before he got hurt. Imagine what he could have done with Moss, Welker, Watson, that offensive line, and NE's coaching staff.

Tom Brady the year before Randy Moss and Wes Welker
87.9 QB Rating
3529 Yards
61.8 Comp %
24 TD's
12 Int's

Tom Brady after Randy Moss and Wes Welker
117.2 QB Rating
4806 Yards
68.9 Comp%
50 TD's
8 Int's

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-26-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

****in' Rat.

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

McDaniels has 100% confidence in his system.

Oh, well shit; that changes everything!

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

If Josh knows one thing, its QB's. He chose Orton over Jason Campbell, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Luke McKown(sp?), Kellen Clemmens, and Alex Smith.

This is the system that Orton should have been playing his entire life. He will play very well in it this year.

Congratulations; your coach is as ****ing reeruned as you are.

Jethopper · 07-26-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Where in that post did I say Orton > Cutler?

Trading Cutler got us a good cover corner, and a good DE/OLB, and a safety first QB.

So you have seen the corner and DE/OLB play in the NFL? So you have seen this QB play in your system? This is homerish even for a homer.

Jethopper · 07-27-2009, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

There is no doubt in my mind that Orton would have just as good if not better numbers if he was put in the same situation as Cassel. Heck Orton was putting up similar numbers with Rashied Davis and Devin Hester as his No 1 and No 2 receivers before he got hurt. Imagine what he could have done with Moss, Welker, Watson, that offensive line, and NE's coaching staff.

Tom Brady the year before Randy Moss and Wes Welker
87.9 QB Rating
3529 Yards
61.8 Comp %
24 TD's
12 Int's

Tom Brady after Randy Moss and Wes Welker
117.2 QB Rating
4806 Yards
68.9 Comp%
50 TD's
8 Int's

You forgot the superbowls he won.

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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	There is no doubt in my mind that Orton would have just as good if not better numbers if he was put in the same situation as Cassel. Heck Orton was putting up similar numbers with Rashied Davis and Devin Hester as his No 1 and No 2 receivers before he got hurt. Imagine what he could have done with Moss, Welker, Watson, that offensive line, and NE's coaching staff. Tom Brady the year before Randy Moss and Wes Welker 87.9 QB Rating 3529 Yards 61.8 Comp % 24 TD's 12 Int's Tom Brady after Randy Moss and Wes Welker 117.2 QB Rating 4806 Yards 68.9 Comp% 50 TD's 8 Int's
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