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Old 08-12-2009, 05:35 PM   #1
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Teams would be lining up to sign Derrick Johnson if the Chiefs released him. He's no turd.
Who said he was a turd?

I said that first off, his play over the last four seasons in no way justifies a top fifteen selection overall, that in retrospect he'd be a fourth rounder and finally, that his play is average.

Average.

Not great.

Not poor.

Average.

How in the HELL can you argue differently?
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:37 PM   #2
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Who said he was a turd?

I said that first off, his play over the last four seasons in no way justifies a top fifteen selection overall, that in retrospect he'd be a fourth rounder and finally, that his play is average.

Average.

Not great.

Not poor.

Average.

How in the HELL can you argue differently?
Me.

He was the metaphoric turd in my earlier post.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:38 PM   #3
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Me.

He was the metaphoric turd in my earlier post.
Clay was the metaphoric turd?
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:40 PM   #4
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Clay was the metaphoric turd?
I should start using more ambiguous antecedents in an effort to insult more posters...
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:41 PM   #5
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I should start using more ambiguous antecedents in an effort to insult more posters...
Or be like me and continue to directly insult them
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Who said he was a turd?

I said that first off, his play over the last four seasons in no way justifies a top fifteen selection overall, that in retrospect he'd be a fourth rounder and finally, that his play is average.

Average.

Not great.

Not poor.

Average.

How in the HELL can you argue differently?
I think he's slightly above average. He led the league in tackles for loss. Come on now. Average players DON'T do that.

I guess you agree with me, though. Ultimately the Chiefs have a good young linebacker in Derrick Johnson. He has a place as a starter on a good NFL defense. Not elite, but definitely worthy of his starting spot.

Pretty hard to refute that.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:53 PM   #7
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I think he's slightly above average. He led the league in tackles for loss. Come on now. Average players DON'T do that.

I guess you agree with me, though. Ultimately the Chiefs have a good young linebacker in Derrick Johnson. He has a place as a starter on a good NFL defense. Not elite, but definitely worthy of his starting spot.

Pretty hard to refute that.
I think he's average. For every time that he makes "a play", he misses the next (i.e., the Jets game).

He's not a game changer and he's not someone you game plan around. He's a average linebacker on a very bad defense.

I'm not advocating that the Chiefs dump him, I just don't think he's "special".
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I think he's average. For every time that he makes "a play", he misses the next (i.e., the Jets game).

He's not a game changer and he's not someone you game plan around. He's a average linebacker on a very bad defense.

I'm not advocating that the Chiefs dump him, I just don't think he's "special".
But you agree your original point - that the Chiefs have no young linebackers - was wrong?

That's all we're getting at here.
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:08 PM   #9
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But you agree your original point - that the Chiefs have no young linebackers - was wrong?

That's all we're getting at here.
I guess if you want to consider a 5th year linebacker "young", so be it.

He's certainly younger than a 13th or 14th year linebacker.
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I guess if you want to consider a 5th year linebacker "young", so be it.

He's certainly younger than a 13th or 14th year linebacker.


Now we're moving the goalposts.

Whatever guys. When the Chiefs are good again on defense, Derrick Johnson will be a big part of it. He's part of the solution, not part of the problem.

PS - Derrick Johnson had the HIGHEST stop rate of any Chiefs linebacker last year. He was in the top 40 against the run and the top 30 against the pass (not even Ray Lewis could say that).

That definitely makes him above average in terms of starting linebackers (3 per team x 32 = 96 - and I should really throw in the 3-4 teams but I didn't) .
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I think he's slightly above average. He led the team in tackles. Come on now. Average players DON'T do that.

I guess you agree with me, though. Ultimately the Chiefs had a good young safety in Pollard. He has a place as a starter on a good NFL defense. Not elite, but definitely worthy of his starting spot.

Pretty hard to refute that.
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sounds like GoChiefs is talking about Pollard and not DJ...
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