Chiefs Cassel Vs Sanchez - Page 8

Titty Meat · 08-14-2009, 06:49 PM

Also known as the Chiefsplanet Civil War. I made this thread not to talk smack but to compare how each player plays. Sanchez looked great tonight despite missing half of the Jets O-line.

tonyetony · 08-15-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Texas Fury

I can understand the logic where some people would want Sanchez if someone is going to struggle regardless. He seems to have the composure to handle rough spots and is younger. I think if I were a Chiefs fan, I would have wanted Sanchez and then a pass rusher pretty much equal to Tyson with that second rounder. That way you get two younger guys to groom instead of an older QB and a year of two of Vrabel being so-so. It seems the rebuild would go slower with the two rooks, but have more potential. Let's be honest though KC is several years away. Hopefully Houston is finally getting there, but look at all the so-so seasons we have dealt with. I still think Belichick must laugh when these guys go out and act like they own the world when he is the one responsible for the Pats success. I ain't tryin' to stir things up, but like many here are saying, where Pioli and Haey sit in a couple years will indeed be very interesting.

No one cares about you or Houston here dumbass. Go away

stevieray · 08-15-2009, 09:43 AM

...somehow if Sanchez does well, it reflects poorly on the Chiefs.

got it.

Bet it keeps Clark up at night.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

...somehow if Sanchez does well, it reflects poorly on the Chiefs.

got it.

Bet it keeps Clark up at night.

Now, come on.

It's not Sanchez alone, but if Cassel flops and the n00b excels, I guarantee Pioli will be losing plenty of sleep, and it will be the first big chink in the armor, not to mention a big, legit. strike against him.

GMs simply can't miss on the most important position on the field, especially considering the dollars that are in play. And if Cassel ends up being a $60M sack of shit, Hunt might not lose sleep, but he sure as heck won't be too happy.

milkman · 08-15-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony

No one cares about you or Houston here dumbass. Go away

Actually, since we are playing Houston in the game tonight, we do care about Houston right now, cause they will help give us a glimpse at the Chiefs progress.

And TF has given us some good posts in his sgort visit here and hopefully he sticks around even afte this game.

So speak for yourself, dumbass.

milkman · 08-15-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

...somehow if Sanchez does well, it reflects poorly on the Chiefs.

got it.

Bet it keeps Clark up at night.

We're happy you got it.

Now I can sleep at night.

KCBOSS1 · 08-15-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Texas Fury

I can understand the logic where some people would want Sanchez if someone is going to struggle regardless. He seems to have the composure to handle rough spots and is younger. I think if I were a Chiefs fan, I would have wanted Sanchez and then a pass rusher pretty much equal to Tyson with that second rounder. That way you get two younger guys to groom instead of an older QB and a year of two of Vrabel being so-so. It seems the rebuild would go slower with the two rooks, but have more potential. Let's be honest though KC is several years away. Hopefully Houston is finally getting there, but look at all the so-so seasons we have dealt with. I still think Belichick must laugh when these guys go out and act like they own the world when he is the one responsible for the Pats success. I ain't tryin' to stir things up, but like many here are saying, where Pioli and Haey sit in a couple years will indeed be very interesting.

It think this is a good point. Bilichick is the brain-child. Hopefully Pioli has a strong contribution to the brain aspect. Hopefully, he is the Walsh of this era and everybody that has been affiliated with him ends up with rings. I was a Sanchez guy. I like what I hear so far about Cassel.

KCBOSS1 · 08-15-2009, 10:48 AM

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Titty Meat · 08-15-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

such a simplification

i honestly don't even know what you mean by the Colts/Chargers/Giants way other then gee these teams have been good for 5-10 years....

I think he means those teams build through the draft where as the Patriots build through free agency.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 11:59 AM

Easy..... Cassel was at USC behind two great QB's.... Sanchez came along when the QB talent at USC was not as good.

Cassel has had one year of success in the NFL. Sanchez has had one year of success in college.

Both were on teams that were largely superior in talent.

Both could be great.... both could be busts.

Sanchez was a first round pick with one year of success at the college level.

Cassel was a second round pick with one year of success at the NFL level.

Sanchez would have taken the Chiefs top ten pick and they could have gotten a guy like Ron Brace in the second round.

Cassel allowed the Chiefs to get a franchise QB (they think) and the best 3-4 End in the draft.

Oh, and Pioli had known one and worked with one for several years and knew him better than any GM could EVER know any draft pick.

Now, how it will turn out is anybody's guess. But, for anyone to act like it wasn't an informed well thought decision is silly.

Yes... I know... the chiefs 'devalued' their pick, and paid a 3-4 end to much money. Perhaps. Who cares.

If Tyson Jackson goes on to be a Richard Seymour guy... will anyone complain that he was drafted 'too high'?

Cassel and Sanchez are forever linked. I get it. But, based on the information at hand at the time of the decision, I think the Chiefs made the prudent choice. Not the 'sexy' choice. Maybe not even the 'best' choice in the long run.

But, with a franchise that is going down the drain quickly.... we need less 'potential' and more production.

EyePod · 08-15-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I wanted Sanchez, but we got Cassel, so I'm going to root as hard as I can for Cassel.

In a few years, if Sanchez lights it up and Cassel isn't what Pioli hopes he'll be, I'll bitch about it.

On the other hand, if Cassel is the man, I'll give the Don his due.

Tough part about being a fan... but hey, at least we have actual hope now and not that false hope we had during Herm...

milkman · 08-15-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Tough part about being a fan... but hey, at least we have actual hope now and not that false hope we had during Herm...

I never had any false hope with Herman ****ing Edwards.

I hated it when we brought him in, and was pissed that we threw away a draft pick for a guy I thought sucked ass, who was about to be fired anyway.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

But, with a franchise that is going down the drain quickly.... we need less 'potential' and more production.

And here's where we disagree.

The franchise isn't going down the drain; it's already been flushed. The roster is largely devoid of top talent, and people forget just how hard it is to go 2-14. That's impressive suck.

So now's the time to take risks for big returns. In all facets of the game, we need to try to take the players with the most potential to enable long-term success at the highest levels.

And this is why people were somewhat aggravated with the influx of players like Toomer, Engram, Vrabel, etc. Where's the potential? Yes, the immediate production might be better than alternative B, but to what and where are we building?

stevieray · 08-15-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Now, come on.

It's not Sanchez alone, but if Cassel flops and the n00b excels, I guarantee Pioli will be losing plenty of sleep, and it will be the first big chink in the armor, not to mention a big, legit. strike against him.

GMs simply can't miss on the most important position on the field, especially considering the dollars that are in play. And if Cassel ends up being a $60M sack of shit, Hunt might not lose sleep, but he sure as heck won't be too happy.

Cassel's success or failure has nothing to do with a QB from another team.

Titty Meat · 08-15-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And here's where we disagree.

The franchise isn't going down the drain; it's already been flushed. The roster is largely devoid of top talent, and people forget just how hard it is to go 2-14. That's impressive suck.

So now's the time to take risks for big returns. In all facets of the game, we need to try to take the players with the most potential to enable long-term success at the highest levels.

And this is why people were somewhat aggravated with the influx of players like Toomer, Engram, Vrabel, etc. Where's the potential? Yes, the immediate production might be better than alternative B, but to what and where are we building?

The potential is the 10+ players the Chiefs drafted last year plus Piolis draft picks. The difference between Carl and Pioli is Pioli will sign free agents that actually contribute and draft players that actually will contribute.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Cassel's success or failure has nothing to do with a QB from another team.

In a vacuum, this is absolutely true.

But these players will always be connected in the same way that the '83 was/is discussed.

Let's hope we don't end up on the short end of this one, too.

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SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Easy..... Cassel was at USC behind two great QB's.... Sanchez came along when the QB talent at USC was not as good. Cassel has had one year of success in the NFL. Sanchez has had one year of success in college. Both were on teams that were largely superior in talent. Both could be great.... both could be busts. Sanchez was a first round pick with one year of success at the college level. Cassel was a second round pick with one year of success at the NFL level. Sanchez would have taken the Chiefs top ten pick and they could have gotten a guy like Ron Brace in the second round. Cassel allowed the Chiefs to get a franchise QB (they think) and the best 3-4 End in the draft. Oh, and Pioli had known one and worked with one for several years and knew him better than any GM could EVER know any draft pick. Now, how it will turn out is anybody's guess. But, for anyone to act like it wasn't an informed well thought decision is silly. Yes... I know... the chiefs 'devalued' their pick, and paid a 3-4 end to much money. Perhaps. Who cares. If Tyson Jackson goes on to be a Richard Seymour guy... will anyone complain that he was drafted 'too high'? Cassel and Sanchez are forever linked. I get it. But, based on the information at hand at the time of the decision, I think the Chiefs made the prudent choice. Not the 'sexy' choice. Maybe not even the 'best' choice in the long run. But, with a franchise that is going down the drain quickly.... we need less 'potential' and more production.
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