Chiefs Trying to trade Pollard? from NFP - Page 22

booger · 09-04-2009, 05:03 PM

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...h-Pollard.html

Biggs: Chiefs exploring trade options with Pollard

Move would create opening for Mike Brown in lineup

Brad Biggs

September 04, 2009, 06:55 PM EST

The Kansas City Chiefs are exploring options to trade strong safety Bernard Pollard, a move that would create an opening for veteran Mike Brown to move into the starting lineup, sources said.

The 24-year-old Pollard, a fourth-year pro from Purdue, has made 31 starts the last two seasons. He had 98 tackles and one interception last season. But Brown was signed in late June to push both Pollard and free safety Jarrad Page.

“The defensive backfield as a whole, I think, there’s excellent competition,’’ Haley said late last month when asked if Brown had pushed Pollard for the job. “I don’t think there’s anybody who feels real comfortable. Mike’s one of the reasons for that but I think that’s the way it is across the board there. Those guys know there is somebody right behind them that could be playing just as well as them. That’s how you get your team good.”

Brown spent the last nine seasons with the Chicago Bears but has been injury plagued since 2004. He held it together to start 15 games last season, but had to leave three games early down the stretch with a recurring calf muscle pull and finally missed the finale. He is an instinctive player and made 101 tackles last season, the third-highest total in his career.

Saccopoo · 09-05-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There are people that really don't grasp what those guys are.

They both could be true forces.

Just what Mays brings alone is ridiculous, there isn't another player playing on any level that is like Taylor Mays.

Yet you want to kick in my balls about drafting a ILB or a TE. Like a SS is any different.

Saccopoo · 09-05-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

I'm gonna be pissed if the Raiders end up with him like all these mocks keep going with.

Like they wouldn't?

I mean, shit. They drafted Michael Huff because he ran a 4.3. Or even better, Darrius Bey.

And you don't think that they won't take a SoCal guy at 6'2", 230 lbs playing safety that runs a 4.3?

I hear the Mays Raider jerseys are second only to Favre Vikings ones so far this year.

veist · 09-05-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Sure, position has some weight. However, you were one of those who were howling as if it was all that mattered in the world. It's not. It's just a part of the equation.

As I recall an important component of that argument was that his position on the roster is already filled by DJ and they also did not believe that the value of replacing DJ with Curry was at all worth the price of admission either.

Saccopoo · 09-05-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm gonna do it right now off the top of my head...this has nothing to do with personal like or dislike just guys I think are going high based on how the NFL works.

Sam Bradford
Russell Okung
Taylor Mays
Eric Berry
Carlos Dunlap
Gerald McCoy
Ndamukong Suh
Trent Williams
Damian Williams
Arrellious Benn
Dez Bryant
Jermaine Gresham
Bryan Bulaga
Greg Hardy
Sergio Kindle
Terrence Cody

There's a good list of some top prospects...who would you take?

Brandon Spikes.

veist · 09-05-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Brandon Spikes.

The draft class is too flush with players at more valuable positions unless someone absolutely falls in love with him or he puts up a crazy season he probably isn't going higher than the 10-15 range.

Just Passin' By · 09-05-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by veist

As I recall an important component of that argument was that his position on the roster is already filled by DJ and they also did not believe that the value of replacing DJ with Curry was at all worth the price of admission either.

It wasn't just Curry that suffered the 'positional value' argument.

salame · 09-05-2009, 12:40 AM

if they get a fair trade I guess they should go for it
ror would be lost

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-05-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by salame

if they get a fair trade I guess they should go for it
ror would be lost

Meh. I'll live.

veist · 09-05-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

It wasn't just Curry that suffered the 'positional value' argument.

The only guys I saw being suggested commonly and panned were Curry and LT prospects. Drafting a LT and moving Albert or drafting a RT either way you are spending two high 1sts on your tackles and that means you are going to have to let one of them walk when their contract expires if they play to what everyone's expectations are.

Saccopoo · 09-05-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by veist

The draft class is too flush with players at more valuable positions unless someone absolutely falls in love with him or he puts up a crazy season he probably isn't going higher than the 10-15 range.

But that's my exact point. Everyone has suddenly got a hard on for Mays and he plays a position that is actually less relevant than the ILB spot, but it's okay to get all hot and bothered about him, but a guy who is every bit as athletic and fierce and even more productive to this point at the "quarterback" position of the defense is not viable? Bullshit.

Spikes put up a crazy season last year. And the year before. The dude murders people on the field, has safety level athleticism in a linebacker body and has football instincts.

I loved Curry coming out, but I understood the arguments about him and DJ being about the same player. (Although, Curry did things better than DJ in terms of taking on blockers, shedding blocks, etc. at the same point of their careers.) And then picking up Vrabel, whose put DJ on the practice squad, makes the strong side backer position even more irrelevant. However, Spikes is a pure ILB. A combination of Laurunaitis and Maualuga, but with more athleticism. And we need a Mike ILB. In the worst way.

And the same could be said about Gresham, whose got all the tools to be the best TE prospect ever. A bigger, faster, better blocking Tony Gonzalez.

In my opinion, there are a couple of "generational" type players in this draft, at positions that are normally regarded as positions that don't value out as a top 5 selection. Berry, Mays, Spikes, Gresham, Trent Williams (although I think you can get a guy very close to Williams in Utah's Zane Beadles in the second round) all look to be those type of guys. Then you add in the regular top 5 positional talent guys like Bradford, Okung, Suh, Gerald McCoy, and Dunlap, all of which would have been the first guy selected in this past draft, and you've got a hell of a draft day situation.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 09-05-2009, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm gonna do it right now off the top of my head...this has nothing to do with personal like or dislike just guys I think are going high based on how the NFL works.

Sam Bradford
Russell Okung
Taylor Mays
Eric Berry
Carlos Dunlap
Gerald McCoy
Ndamukong Suh
Trent Williams
Damian Williams
Arrellious Benn
Dez Bryant
Jermaine Gresham
Bryan Bulaga
Greg Hardy
Sergio Kindle
Terrence Cody

There's a good list of some top prospects...who would you take?

Which is why for now I'm on the Safety bandwagon. Unless Kindle has a huge year I don't see a lot of fit for our 3-4 besides Cody who is a huge risk going as high as we will be picking(doesn't help that I think Boo Robinson will end up being the better prospect and could possibly be available in the 2nd or 3rd round)and the WR's aren't elite IMO. The problem with going Safety is while we could use an upgrade we also need so many other positions. NT, OLine, WR, OLB(pass rush), will need a replacement for LJ if Charles isn't seen as an every down back.

Saccopoo · 09-05-2009, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

Which is why for now I'm on the Safety bandwagon.

There's a ****ing shocker Mecca Jr., even though we have competent, and possibly, with proper coaching, good to very good safeties on the roster. But let's focus on that position as need because we put up a YouTube highlight reel of Mays.

Not that we don't need more talent at other positions...

But let's pick a safety because we don't pick RT's and LB's with a first round pick.

I mean, shit. Pollard, Page, Morgan, Brown and McGraw are all decent. But yet we're happy to piss away our first rounder on Mays or Berry while our qb continues to get ****ing killed because we can't get a RT. Or we continually get running backs breaking out for 30+ yard carries because Dino Hackett was the last decent MLB that the Chiefs have had. Oh, but don't draft those positions because they don't have any ****ing value in the top ten!

salame · 09-05-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

Which is why for now I'm on the Safety bandwagon. Unless Kindle has a huge year I don't see a lot of fit for our 3-4 besides Cody who is a huge risk going as high as we will be picking(doesn't help that I think Boo Robinson will end up being the better prospect and could possibly be available in the 2nd or 3rd round)and the WR's aren't elite IMO. The problem with going Safety is while we could use an upgrade we also need so many other positions. NT, OLine, WR, OLB(pass rush), will need a replacement for LJ if Charles isn't seen as an every down back.

dez bryant is a bad ass

BWillie · 09-05-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by salame

dez bryant is a bad ass

Ok here is how I see the Chiefs draft targets next year....

QB
1. The midget winner Todd Reesing
2. Sam Bradford
3. That guy from Ole Miss who is from Texas who wears cowboy boots

RB
1. White Running back from central Ks
2. Jahvid Best
3. Evan Royster

WR
1. Dezmon "I can't read" Briscoe
2. Dez Bryant
3. Arrelious Benn

SS
1. The guy that bangs Tyrel Reed's sister
2. Taylor Mays
3. Eric Berry

TE
1. Kansas' old QB that isn't good enough to play QB so he has to catch the ball now
2. Jermaine Gresham
3. Rob Gronkowski

I am definitely not biased.

Titty Meat · 09-05-2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

How the hell several of these guys are in the Big 12!

Russell Okung-LT Oklahoma State projected top 5 pick

Carlos Dunlap-DE-Florida -6'7 290 incredible gifts think Mario Williams or Peppers

Gerald McCoy-DT Oklahoma, about 300lbs not a NT prospect

Ndamukong Suh-DT-Nebraska-very top of the line prospect, very powerful and strong could profile as a NT more likely a 5 tech

Trent Williams-LT Oklahoma

Damian Williams-WR USC

Arrellious Benn-WR Illinois also a dynamic return man

Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State

Jermaine Gresham TE- Oklahoma

Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa

Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss, has had issues with injuries and foot problems

Sergio Kindle OLB/Rush backer Texas

Suh is a good player but will be a 5-tech. Hopefully he goes to a good coached team. He wasn't that good when Callahan was the coach.

The Chiefs have alot of first round picks on the defense if Cody isn't aviable they should go for a game changer on offense.

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