America's Greatest Villains: The Championship

[Rain Man]

You've worked long and hard for this, waited for a long time. You thought, you voted, you made jokes about horrific murders. And now, we have the championship vote.

I bring to you the two greatest villains in American history. When the vote ends, you shall bring to me the winner.

[Bane]

Gary Ridgway was worse than both of these ass clowns put together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Ridgeway

[Duck Dog]

Jones preyed on the weak minded and the easily influenced. McVeigh attacked innocent unsuspecting people doing their daily business. McVeigh is clearly the worse of these two.

[Duck Dog]

Originally Posted by bane_58

Gary Ridgway was worse than both of these ass clowns put together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Ridgeway

Mcveighs death toll. 168 people 19 were children.
Jones death toll. 900 people.

Ridgway isn't even on the map.

[ziggysocki]

Originally Posted by Duck Dog

Mcveighs death toll. 168 people 19 were children.
Jones death toll. 900 people 276 were children.

Ridgway isn't even on the map.

FYP, only for greater clarification.

[Hydrae]

I didn't vote for either of these before today but had to go with McVeigh of these two.

[kysirsoze]

Went with McVeigh. Jones "wins" the death toll argument, but McVeigh's terrorist attack, I think, had a bigger emotional effect on the country as a whole. I think this is evidenced by many posters on this board's attitude that Jones victims were "brain dead followers." I would also wager that a nationwide poll would show much higher recognition for McVeigh.

Boothe still should be #1.

[ziggysocki]

Wow. People talk about the innocence of the victims... Jim Jones was able to convince over 600 adults into purposely killing 276 of their own children and grandchildren as a 'suicide revolution' -- a statement against government much like McVeigh's. That is pretty freaking evil. McVeigh even said later that he would have considered a different target had he known that there was a daycare operating on the first floor, saying that was a lot of 'collateral damage'.

[T-post Tom]

These were my top 2 all along. I went with Jones because he protracted an insidious evil over so many years and lives.

[trndobrd]

Guyana's greatest villian or America's greatest villian?

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

I went with Jones, TMac did it for his sick twisted cause, but Jones did it just cause he could.

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[JohninGpt]

I went with Jones. Those pictures of acres of bodies of men, women, and children, that he convinced should die with him, are something I'll always remember.

[JOhn]

Originally Posted by ziggysocki

Wow. People talk about the innocence of the victims... Jim Jones was able to convince over 600 adults into purposely killing 276 of their own children and grandchildren as a 'suicide revolution' -- a statement against government much like McVeigh's. That is pretty freaking evil. McVeigh even said later that he would have considered a different target had he known that there was a daycare operating on the first floor, saying that was a lot of 'collateral damage'.

Using that argument, then you have to say that the Adults were just as culpable as were Jones.

To me the sudden unprovoked attack on innocent people far outweighs the praying on week minded people that Jones did. As for the smaller death toll, only by the grace of god were not more people killed. And McVeigh saying he didn't target kids and such is BS to save his own neck. He placed a 5 ton bomb on the side of a busy street were anyone could have been a victim. And he KNEW there was a daycare in that building, his was done on purose with much forethought and malice involved.
Your not going to convince me otherwise.

[ziggysocki]

Originally Posted by JOhn

Using that argument, then you have to say that the Adults were just as culpable as were Jones.

To me the sudden unprovoked attack on innocent people far outweighs the praying on week minded people that Jones did. As for the smaller death toll, only by the grace of god were not more people killed. And McVeigh saying he didn't target kids and such is BS to save his own neck. He placed a 5 ton bomb on the side of a busy street were anyone could have been a victim. And he KNEW there was a daycare in that building, his was done on purose with much forethought and malice involved.
Your not going to convince me otherwise.

regardless of the methods, philosophies -- all else equal 276 innocent children (I will even leave out the adults - and assume that they would have killed children at some point anyway) compared to 168 total. I am no math genius, but like Brady > Croyle, 276 > 168 . Jones is worse. Give me one solid reason why McVeigh is worse. Because it was a strike directly against the govt? Because it was on American soil? Because the dead and injured were not otherwise involved? Because he used a bomb instead of poison? Dead is Dead. 276 > 168 Jones > McVeigh (greater than as in a greater villain)

[FAX]

No argument that both these assclowns are evil bastards. That much is certain.

However, the leader of the Smiley Face Killer Gang has to be America's Greatest Villain. No one really knows how many people this guy has killed. It could be thousands. Just because he hasn't been caught or identified, doesn't make him any less villainous.

Plus, there's Sasquatch. He kills people and he's stinky. I really think we should start over.

FAX

[JohninGpt]

Jones did give us the cliche, "I'm drinking the Koolaid". That is enough to convict him in my mind.