Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future

[RedThat]

Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality.

I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them.

Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a sh*tty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around.

Seriously, it shouldn't take a ****n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for **** sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself.

I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this ****n sh*t!! When Herm was here, they signed these ****n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping.

Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, **** off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is ****n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sh*t they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be.

You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. There is no excuse for this bullsh*t that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap.

I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Jason Brown
Chris Canty
Igor Olansksy
Jim Leonard

Just a few off the top of my head. I need to pull up a post what I would do before free agency hit. I had a better list then.

I am actually more pissed off that abortion of draft we had, Cassel/Sanchez didnt matter which one we had still could have upgraded our OL in the draft, it was deep this year.

Jason Brown has looked pretty average in St. Louis. Chris Canty has been hurt 2 of 3 games. Igor is part of a Dallas defense that is getting gashed left and right.

Jim Leonard is a system guy for Rex Ryan.

The only one of those 4 are making the Chiefs substancially better and that's Brown.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There is no ****ing doubt about that.

I think some people are doubting that, though. That's what is blowing me away.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by tonyetony

Ok that argument seems to be over so let's start listing them.

Starting with Center:

I would have liked for us to sign Jeremy Newberry or Matt Birk.

What did we do? Resigned Niswanger of course.

Jeremy Newberry retired. Good call on signing him.

Matt Birk was going to a contender. He signed for basic peanuts.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Yes, if you want to win in the NFL you got to draft your roster. I'm more pissed off by the shitty draft than them not signing any players. Hell Indy, San Diego, and Pittsburgh hardly ever use free agency. And they are in markets similar to ours.

I agree with that. Indy, SD, Pitt, are great examples you use, but, I still think FA is important. Mainly because I believe you build your team in 3 possible ways. Draft, FA, and trades.

Yeah these teams don't use FA as much, but one could argue there are plenty of teams that do use it and get good results.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Is it better to learn from Ray Lewis or Mike Vrabel? Is it better to learn from Mike Goff or Matt Birk? There is a difference.

Vrabel, without a doubt. You're assuming that Birk is interested in teaching a young guy, though. The thing is none of us were around when/if these guys were evaluated. None of us talked to these players. We're operating on incomplete information. I can't recall a lot of times in my life I've acted on incomplete information and liked the outcome.

[Shag]

Originally Posted by RedThat

I agree with that. Indy, SD, Pitt, are great examples you use, but, I still think FA is important. Mainly because I believe you build your team in 3 possible ways. Draft, FA, and trades.

Yeah these teams don't use FA as much, but one could argue there are plenty of teams that do use it and get good results.

What other options are available?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

I think some people are doubting that, though. That's what is blowing me away.

I think it's because of the mixed messages. Signing a 27 year old QB to a huge extension when you already have his rights is a win now move, as is signing a 30+ year old safety, 32 year old guard, a bunch of WRs in their mid 30's, etc.

I think people thought that Cassel would be operating behind a better offensive line and throwing to Bowe, Engram, Toomer, and Bradley.

Ultimately, the failure of the offensive line led to a crushing of their hopes, as it rendered many of the older players useless and it gives a feeling of listlessness to the rebuild.

The "old guys" brought in for leadership, like Zach Thomas, were quickly euthanized. It's just been a bizarre series of moves, to be honest.

[Mecca]

We might have a bit more talent if we hadn't shoehorned in a 3-4 that required us to use back to backs on DL in a deep offensive draft...

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Jim Leonard is a system guy for Rex Ryan.

The only one of those 4 are making the Chiefs substancially better and that's Brown.

In all honesty, Brown is the only one I really wanted. I wanted Leonard mainly bc what he can on special teams more than defense. The other guys were just cheaper 3/4 options than what we did.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

You draft your stars. You bring in free agents to fill holes. On rare occasion a good free agent goes cheap and you take them. It isn't rocket science. Indy does it, NE does it, Green Bay does it...

You could also do vice versa. You sign your vets and draft guys at the same time.

In the Vermeil era, there were plaenty of good vets signed, but, they didn't draft well. If they did it would be a lot different today.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I think it's because of the mixed messages. Signing a 27 year old QB to a huge extension when you already have his rights is a win now move, as is signing a 30+ year old safety, 32 year old guard, a bunch of WRs in their mid 30's, etc.

I think people thought that Cassel would be operating behind a better offensive line and throwing to Bowe, Engram, Toomer, and Bradley.

Ultimately, the failure of the offensive line led to a crushing of their hopes, as it rendered many of the older players useless and it gives a feeling of listlessness to the rebuild.

The "old guys" brought in for leadership, like Zach Thomas, were quickly euthanized. It's just been a bizarre series of moves, to be honest.

For a new regime trying to build a foundation this offseason was epic fail.

[DTHOF]

Look on the bright side we won't be getting rid of any great players this offseason since there going to be none

Allen=Albert, Cottam, Morgan, Really?
Gonzales=?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I think it's because of the mixed messages. Signing a 27 year old QB to a huge extension when you already have his rights is a win now move, as is signing a 30+ year old safety, 32 year old guard, a bunch of WRs in their mid 30's, etc.

I think people thought that Cassel would be operating behind a better offensive line and throwing to Bowe, Engram, Toomer, and Bradley.

Ultimately, the failure of the offensive line led to a crushing of their hopes, as it rendered many of the older players useless and it gives a feeling of listlessness to the rebuild.

The "old guys" brought in for leadership, like Zach Thomas, were quickly euthanized. It's just been a bizarre series of moves, to be honest.

This post reeks of truthiness.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Mecca

For a new regime trying to build a foundation this offseason was epic fail.

the part that bothered me the most was trade for what is "your franchise quarterback" and then not putting him in a position to succeed. They have zero offensive line to show for.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I could live with a DL rotation of:

RDE: Dunlap/Sidbury
3T: Dorsey/Gilbert
NT: Tyler/Edwards
LDE: Gilbert/Hali

Hell, on third downs, you could move Gilbert inside and rush either Sidbury or Hali off the left side, and you'd basically have Spagnuolo's four aces scheme.