Chiefs Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future - Page 10

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 04:15 PM

Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality.

I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them.

Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a sh*tty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around.

Seriously, it shouldn't take a ****n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for **** sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself.

I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this ****n sh*t!! When Herm was here, they signed these ****n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping.

Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, **** off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is ****n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sh*t they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be.

You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. There is no excuse for this bullsh*t that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap.

I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.

**Gadzooks** · 09-28-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

I don't define bringing in Vrabel, Thomas, Engram, etc. as a "win now" move. Pioli wanted some veteran presence that knew what it was like to be on a good team. Maybe you don't agree that those moves are beneficial, but to me it indicates that he knew we had a long road ahead of us.

This.

A savvy vet installs a mentality that can be carried on from player to player. The Chiefs should be trying to build a religion.

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 07:24 PM

Now that I think of it, who would really want to play for the Chiefs?

I mean, TG wanted out. JA wanted out. I could understand their reason for leaving. I think when you're a losing franchise it damages your reputation. Kansas City is not an attractive destination for the premier FAs.

I do think the draft is a good way to go. To model teams like Pittsburgh, Indy is cool. But, the Chiefs suck at drafting. Which is even worse. I can't think of any positives this team could do?

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

so dane those 5 IR guys and PS guy arent on the roster?

Nope.

Those guys are in no way, shape or form part of the 53 man roster nor do they count towards the Salary Cap.

**kysirsoze** · 09-28-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedThat

Now that I think of it, who would really want to play for the Chiefs?

I mean, TG wanted out. JA wanted out. I could understand their reason for leaving. I think when you're a losing franchise it damages your reputation. Kansas City is not an attractive destination for the premier FAs.

I do think the draft is a good way to go. To model teams like Pittsburgh, Indy is cool. But, the Chiefs suck at drafting. Which is even worse. I can't think of any positives this team could do?

And with this last ridiculously hyperbolic statement of doom, I exit the thread....

**SAUTO** · 09-28-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nope.

Those guys are in no way, shape or form part of the 53 man roster nor do they count towards the Salary Cap.

well some nfl types disagree with the turnover rate. i'm not arguing about that with you dane, sorry i dont have time tonight

Chief Faithful · 09-28-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

don't get me wrong, it sucks there is hardly any talent, and they're really no better than last year, but at least the ship has a direction instead of turning endlessly in circles.

Compared to the first three games last year I think they are better.

whoman69 · 09-28-2009, 07:32 PM

I'm still waiting for Clark to make a statement that he is dedicated to turning this team into a winner with something other than lip service. That statement would be running the 7 up players (never had it, never will) out of town. There is no excuse how we can essentially take last year's offensive line and only add Goff to it and call that a good job. We need to ditch the players that are only out there taking a paycheck as well. If you don't want to work to get to the Super Bowl then work somewhere else. Right now it seems our best players don't want to play. They want to look good when they get the ball, but do nothing otherwise.

kcfanXIII · 09-28-2009, 07:33 PM

lmao

Simplex3 · 09-28-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Im sorry. the Chiefs way isn't the right way. They're not gaining anything when they replace McIntosh with Ndukwe. Neither when they decide to resign Niswanger. Or sign Mike Goff when he clearly is done and coming off an injury. This is the Chiefs way of building the offensive line?

Wait, signing an old guard was stupid, but an old center who would have cost even more was a good move? I'm confused.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedThat

Im looking for improvement. This isn't improvement. i want progress to see this team get better and head in the right direction. how do you get better? By going out and getting better players then you have now.

Sometimes you have to get rid of players that don't fit. Locker room cancers, etc.

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Originally Posted by RedThat

im not saying they have to be an 11-5 team today?If you're gonna do it "right" rebuild the offensive line correctly so that way you put your QB in a position to succeed. Why spend all this money on your QB, and trade for him when he has zero protection. ZERO. Does that sound dumb?

Not if you're willing to run the ball to protect him despite being behind. The QB was available *now*. Not later. Now. If they wanted that guy, and they did, they had no choice but to pull the trigger *now*. Now they have to keep him alive until they can put the rest of the pieces together.

Chief Faithful · 09-28-2009, 07:58 PM

I'm not sure what many of you expected this year or remember how really bad the team was last year? I have seen improvement in all areas of this team; defense, offense, special teams, coaching, scouting, football operations, play calling, schemes, and talent. Even in the loss against the Eagles they showed themselves to be a much more disciplined and conditioned team than the third game last year when they got embarrassed by Atlanta.

On this thread Redthat keeps harping on the OLine. It is not good, but even here the talent is better than last year. Anyone who thinks Goff and Ndukwe are not an improvement over Jones and McIntosh is seriously mistaken.

This team was so lacking in so many areas it is unrealistic to think they could completely remake the roster in one season and win against teams like Baltimore or Philly. The Raiders game was disappointing because the Chiefs should have won that game. But, are you guys going to really be disappointed if the Giants prove to be a more talented and experienced team this week?

I like what I have seen so far this season and fully expect this team to start winning some games around week 7 or 8. They may only win 3 or 4 games this year, but that would be a real improvement. Many of you guys seem to have forgotten how really bad this team was in 2008.

bowener · 09-28-2009, 08:16 PM

Clearly you are in fact no psychic.

We will have Tebow!!!1!!!!1!!!11

Then all NFL fans will bow toward the midwest (arrowhead).

We will have the messiah! We will have the power.

There can be only one TEBOW!!!!!!!

ChiefsCountry · 09-28-2009, 08:19 PM

Here is what we got rid from the final roster (IR Included)

NFL
Tony Gonzalez - Falcons
Turk McBride - Lions
Andrew Carnhanan - Giants (IR)
Adrian Jones - Texans
Jason Babin - Eagles
Alfonso Boone - Chargers
Benard Pollard - Texans

Cut in NFL Training Camp
Damon Huard
Will Franklin
Rocky Boiman
Connor Barth
Brian Johnston

Cut from Chiefs Training Camp
Jeff Webb
Herb Taylor
Damion McIntosh
Weston Dacus

UFL
Quinn Gray
Tavares Washington
Oliver Celestin

Not in Training Camp
Kevin Robinson
Michael Merritt
Pat Thomas
Curtis Gatewood
David Macklin
Patrick Surtain
JP Darche
Donnie Edwards

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplex3

Wait, signing an old guard was stupid, but an old center who would have cost even more was a good move? I'm confused.

Sometimes you have to get rid of players that don't fit. Locker room cancers, etc.

Not if you're willing to run the ball to protect him despite being behind. The QB was available *now*. Not later. Now. If they wanted that guy, and they did, they had no choice but to pull the trigger *now*. Now they have to keep him alive until they can put the rest of the pieces together.

The difference is the old center can still play where as everyone knew Goff was done any Charger fan would have told you that they pined to get him off the team last season.

**Bearcat** · 09-28-2009, 08:24 PM

I remember when I used to participate in these types of threads... usually in an attempt to hold off studying as long as possible.

This place is good at finishing off the brain cells the beer doesn't kill.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-28-2009, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I'm not sure what many of you expected this year or remember how really bad the team was last year? I have seen improvement in all areas of this team; defense, offense, special teams, coaching, scouting, football operations, play calling, schemes, and talent. Even in the loss against the Eagles they showed themselves to be a much more disciplined and conditioned team than the third game last year when they got embarrassed by Atlanta.

Wrong.

They weren't more disciplined on Sunday, and they surely haven't been more disciplined than the 2008 team through 3 weeks.

Week 1: (penalties/yardage)

2008: 2/15
2009: 3/15

Week 2:

2008: 5/36
2009: 9/70

Week 3:

2008: 3/13
2009: 10/90

10/64 in 2008, versus 22/175 in 2009.

That's NOTHING resembling improvement.

09-28-2009, 04:15 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality. I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them. Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a shtty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around. Seriously, it shouldn't take a *n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself. I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this *n sht!! When Herm was here, they signed these **n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping. Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is *n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sht they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be. You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sht. There is no excuse for this bullsht that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap. I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.
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09-28-2009, 07:24 PM	#137
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Now that I think of it, who would really want to play for the Chiefs? I mean, TG wanted out. JA wanted out. I could understand their reason for leaving. I think when you're a losing franchise it damages your reputation. Kansas City is not an attractive destination for the premier FAs. I do think the draft is a good way to go. To model teams like Pittsburgh, Indy is cool. But, the Chiefs suck at drafting. Which is even worse. I can't think of any positives this team could do?
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09-28-2009, 07:58 PM	#145
Chief Faithful Predicting Chiefs Victory Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $9966500	I'm not sure what many of you expected this year or remember how really bad the team was last year? I have seen improvement in all areas of this team; defense, offense, special teams, coaching, scouting, football operations, play calling, schemes, and talent. Even in the loss against the Eagles they showed themselves to be a much more disciplined and conditioned team than the third game last year when they got embarrassed by Atlanta. On this thread Redthat keeps harping on the OLine. It is not good, but even here the talent is better than last year. Anyone who thinks Goff and Ndukwe are not an improvement over Jones and McIntosh is seriously mistaken. This team was so lacking in so many areas it is unrealistic to think they could completely remake the roster in one season and win against teams like Baltimore or Philly. The Raiders game was disappointing because the Chiefs should have won that game. But, are you guys going to really be disappointed if the Giants prove to be a more talented and experienced team this week? I like what I have seen so far this season and fully expect this team to start winning some games around week 7 or 8. They may only win 3 or 4 games this year, but that would be a real improvement. Many of you guys seem to have forgotten how really bad this team was in 2008.
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09-28-2009, 08:19 PM	#147
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1471248	Here is what we got rid from the final roster (IR Included) NFL Tony Gonzalez - Falcons Turk McBride - Lions Andrew Carnhanan - Giants (IR) Adrian Jones - Texans Jason Babin - Eagles Alfonso Boone - Chargers Benard Pollard - Texans Cut in NFL Training Camp Damon Huard Will Franklin Rocky Boiman Connor Barth Brian Johnston Cut from Chiefs Training Camp Jeff Webb Herb Taylor Damion McIntosh Weston Dacus UFL Quinn Gray Tavares Washington Oliver Celestin Not in Training Camp Kevin Robinson Michael Merritt Pat Thomas Curtis Gatewood David Macklin Patrick Surtain JP Darche Donnie Edwards
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09-28-2009, 08:24 PM	#149
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