Chiefs To Juice or Not to Juice - Page 3

harpes · 10-09-2009, 10:37 AM

Let me start off by saying that back in 80's I did more than my fair share of cycles and fortunatly didnt have any major side effects. Now I have a son playing JUCO and has all the talent and speed to go Div. 1 but size wise he still needs to add some size. He has worked his butt off with the strength coach and has the right diet but his gains have stopped and his doesnt think 180 CB will last long in the big leagues. He has his own money and is determined to buy some roids off the internet and start stacking. Its not like our day when we would use horse steroids or whatever and never gave it thought. He knows what could happen but like all dumb a$$ kids thinks it wont happen to him. I've thought about having the trainer speak with him but he is an adult and if he doesnt make it, then dad will be the one that kept him from his dreams. Does anyone have any ideas or suggesions on alternatives that would be healthier. God only knows what comes in internet steroids

wild1 · 10-09-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

wouldn't the odds of making it to the nfl be something like the entire male population/number of players in the nfl. It sure as hell more than 1/100

Less than 1/10,000 high school players, certainly, to make a team in the NFL

ChiefsCountry · 10-09-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

wouldn't the odds of making it to the nfl be something like the entire male population/number of players in the nfl. It sure as hell more than 1/100

Not if you are on a D1 roster. Most D1 teams have at least 1 guy who plays in the NFL.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-09-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

wouldn't the odds of making it to the nfl be something like the entire male population/number of players in the nfl. It sure as hell more than 1/100

We're already assuming that he's a DI football player.

125 players on a DI school * 120 DI schools= 15000 at any one time.

Then weed out the number of guys who will make it through all four years, then the number who get drafted or sign as a FA, then the number who will make it through camp and actually get on an NFL roster somewhere.

BWillie · 10-09-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He's a kid. 180 isn't small for a CB. It's not HUGE, but he certainly has time to grow.

There are enough over the counter supplements and nutritionists out there that can help him get over the hump. If he's plateaued, it's because he's doing the wrong training regime.

You need to get him help in the areas of training and nutrition, not look the other way so he can buy 'roids off the internet.

That's a totally irresponsible move on your part and could have serious and even deadly consequences for your son.

Don't do it.

Exactly. What is he a high school senior? With the correct training and nutrition alot of guys ad 30-40 lbs once they get to college.

I was 122 lbs when I was 18. By the time I was 22 I was 185 lbs and benching about 300 lbs. BTW, there are plenty of defensive backs that are 170-185 lbs in D1.

You seem to think allowing him to take roids is an option. It's not.

TheGuardian · 10-09-2009, 12:05 PM

Where to start............

At 20 his test levels are as high as they are ever going to be. That said, unless he's been lifting since he was 13-14 he still has a lot of years of muscle maturity left to kick in.

But all of that aside, 180 for a defensive back is fine. Our best defensive back in JUCO was 165 or 170. He was fast and had great instincts. The fact is, being able to move and be fast is far more important than size in football. You should know this. I moved better at 220 than I ever did at 245 after JUCO because I was in single digit bodyfat at 220, and fat is no friend of speed. But I too thought I needed to be bigger because well, that's everyone says. "You need to be 245." Ok so I got up to 245. Then I was running 4.7's instead of 4.5's (with an occasional high 4.4 thrown in).

If he adds 10 pounds in the offseason, which is EASILY doable, he's 190 and I'd just about bet money that's the average defensive back size for div I football. He's going to need anabolics for 10 pounds???? But it needs to be quality. If he's 200 slow, he'll play less than if he's 180 playing FAST.

Jim Leonhard for the Jets is 5'8" 186.

If he's going to use no matter what you say then my advise would be to tell him to just do a cycle of anavar (oxandrolone) if he can get his hands on it. 30-50mg a week and he'll gain his 10-15 pounds and he'll be stronger and faster and he'll retain most of it after he comes off. It won't **** up his endocrine system or mess with his test levels. The only problem is, it's hard to come by and it's expensive.

So there you go.

Spicy McHaggis · 10-09-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Honestly, as an experience in a NAIA school coach (Yes, I know, not Division I, but still college nonethless) I would strongly encourage your son not to take the steriods. I'm sure the NCAA has some routine testing and unannounced testing program.

They do. You can basically be tested at any time but it's not as frequent as it should be IMO. There are plenty of ways to build strength that don't involve taking steroids. Diet and nutrition are absolutely huge in my experience. If that's not enough, there is a myriad of legal supplements you can take. Although, with those I would suggest taking them in to the head trainer at school to have him check them over as well as doing your own research. The bottom line is that it's your body and you're responsible for what you put in it.

Saccopoo · 10-09-2009, 12:13 PM

NewChief · 10-09-2009, 12:24 PM

I think the whole issue that harpes is facing is that his son is wanting to engage in something that he himself did and that harpes probably doesn't even see as that "wrong." I will probably face the same dilemma when my kid gets to the age to start smoking grass. Yes I did it. Yes I feel like a ****ing hypocrite telling my kid not to do it. But guess what? I'm the parent, and that's my job.

It just comes with the territory. Same thing I have to do in my job every day as an authority figure. It's the way the game is played. We tell them not to do it, and they try to get away with it. If we didn't, next thing you know kids would be wearing hats in the school building (see how many people get that ancient CP reference).

Saccopoo · 10-09-2009, 12:27 PM

While your primary concern should by on the long term health of your son (because, at 20, most kids think that they are bulletproof and know everything), there are secondary concerns that you should have. Once he gets on the juice, he's going to be susceptible to testing positive on random drug test (and yes, they do not test enough and most guys get around them by cheating anyway), which would/could remove any scholarship from him, banned from the team, kicked off of campus. As well, if he gets caught in possession of the drugs, they are considered a controlled substance and he will be facing some expensive and serious legal/criminal consequences. All it takes is getting into an argument with someone who knows you are doing drugs and a vindictive/retaliatory call to the authorities and you are basically screwed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 10-09-2009, 12:37 PM

Is he white? If yes then he'll probably need to get bigger so he can move to safety. But let's go with not to juice.

**Buehler445** · 10-09-2009, 12:56 PM

Dude, encourage him not to do it.

Others have said the things about legal suppliments. If he's 180, he shouldn't have much to gain. Legals should do what he needs.

It is your responsibility as a parent to say something
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Garcia Bronco · 10-09-2009, 01:09 PM

I don't have a problem with PED's under the supervision of a doctor. It's not cheating unless you want to include anything that can "Enhance Performance" including caffine. Further more you have many, many parents that give their kids HGH treatments at an early age so they can play sports at all. Does that make them cheaters? No it doesn't. Just be ready for the risks.

**The Franchise** · 10-09-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I don't have a problem with PED's under the supervision of a doctor. It's not cheating unless you want to include anything that can "Enhance Performance" including caffine. Further more you have many, many parents that give their kids HGH treatments at an early age so they can play sports at all. Does that make them cheaters? No it doesn't. Just be ready for the risks.

Does it make them cheaters? Yes.

Does it make them reeruned? Yes.

If parents actually do that....then they are ****ing worthless parents.

Garcia Bronco · 10-09-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Does it make them cheaters? Yes.

Does it make them reeruned? Yes.

If parents actually do that....then they are ****ing worthless parents.

Many parents do and it's completely safe.

**The Franchise** · 10-09-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Many parents do and it's completely safe.

And still reeruned.

My kid must play sports! Load em up with HGH to make sure they can!

10-09-2009, 10:37 AM
harpes Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Baxter Springs Ks Casino cash: $10004900	To Juice or Not to Juice Let me start off by saying that back in 80's I did more than my fair share of cycles and fortunatly didnt have any major side effects. Now I have a son playing JUCO and has all the talent and speed to go Div. 1 but size wise he still needs to add some size. He has worked his butt off with the strength coach and has the right diet but his gains have stopped and his doesnt think 180 CB will last long in the big leagues. He has his own money and is determined to buy some roids off the internet and start stacking. Its not like our day when we would use horse steroids or whatever and never gave it thought. He knows what could happen but like all dumb a$$ kids thinks it wont happen to him. I've thought about having the trainer speak with him but he is an adult and if he doesnt make it, then dad will be the one that kept him from his dreams. Does anyone have any ideas or suggesions on alternatives that would be healthier. God only knows what comes in internet steroids
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10-09-2009, 12:05 PM	#35
TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6325299	Where to start............ At 20 his test levels are as high as they are ever going to be. That said, unless he's been lifting since he was 13-14 he still has a lot of years of muscle maturity left to kick in. But all of that aside, 180 for a defensive back is fine. Our best defensive back in JUCO was 165 or 170. He was fast and had great instincts. The fact is, being able to move and be fast is far more important than size in football. You should know this. I moved better at 220 than I ever did at 245 after JUCO because I was in single digit bodyfat at 220, and fat is no friend of speed. But I too thought I needed to be bigger because well, that's everyone says. "You need to be 245." Ok so I got up to 245. Then I was running 4.7's instead of 4.5's (with an occasional high 4.4 thrown in). If he adds 10 pounds in the offseason, which is EASILY doable, he's 190 and I'd just about bet money that's the average defensive back size for div I football. He's going to need anabolics for 10 pounds???? But it needs to be quality. If he's 200 slow, he'll play less than if he's 180 playing FAST. Jim Leonhard for the Jets is 5'8" 186. If he's going to use no matter what you say then my advise would be to tell him to just do a cycle of anavar (oxandrolone) if he can get his hands on it. 30-50mg a week and he'll gain his 10-15 pounds and he'll be stronger and faster and he'll retain most of it after he comes off. It won't **** up his endocrine system or mess with his test levels. The only problem is, it's hard to come by and it's expensive. So there you go.
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NewChief In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR Casino cash: $7250204	I think the whole issue that harpes is facing is that his son is wanting to engage in something that he himself did and that harpes probably doesn't even see as that "wrong." I will probably face the same dilemma when my kid gets to the age to start smoking grass. Yes I did it. Yes I feel like a ***ing hypocrite telling my kid not to do it. But guess what? I'm the parent, and that's my job. It just comes with the territory. Same thing I have to do in my job every day as an authority figure. It's the way the game is played. We tell them not to do it, and they try to get away with it. If we didn't, next thing you know kids would be wearing hats in the school building (see how many people get that ancient CP reference). __________________ In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican.* - H. L. Mencken
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10-09-2009, 12:27 PM	#39
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	While your primary concern should by on the long term health of your son (because, at 20, most kids think that they are bulletproof and know everything), there are secondary concerns that you should have. Once he gets on the juice, he's going to be susceptible to testing positive on random drug test (and yes, they do not test enough and most guys get around them by cheating anyway), which would/could remove any scholarship from him, banned from the team, kicked off of campus. As well, if he gets caught in possession of the drugs, they are considered a controlled substance and he will be facing some expensive and serious legal/criminal consequences. All it takes is getting into an argument with someone who knows you are doing drugs and a vindictive/retaliatory call to the authorities and you are basically screwed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid
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Rudy tossed tigger's salad Better than Nelson Join Date: Mar 2003 Casino cash: $10000400	Is he white? If yes then he'll probably need to get bigger so he can move to safety. But let's go with not to juice.
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10-09-2009, 12:56 PM	#41
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1425266	Dude, encourage him not to do it. Others have said the things about legal suppliments. If he's 180, he shouldn't have much to gain. Legals should do what he needs. It is your responsibility as a parent to say something Posted via Mobile Device
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Garcia Bronco No Keys, No Problem Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver Casino cash: $1833136	I don't have a problem with PED's under the supervision of a doctor. It's not cheating unless you want to include anything that can "Enhance Performance" including caffine. Further more you have many, many parents that give their kids HGH treatments at an early age so they can play sports at all. Does that make them cheaters? No it doesn't. Just be ready for the risks.
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