Football Texans fans seem to be falling in love with Pollard. - Page 12

**BossChief** · 01:38 PM

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http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66399

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/pos...ns-improving-d

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-31-2009, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Everyone likes to point to the lines to the main culprit as why the team is bad, that's part of it the other problem is...this team is slow.

If you are the slowest team on the field every week you're gonna have a hard time winning.

I think these battles in the trenches have become such a focus in recent years because the talent level of impact players is dropping like flies.
College has a lot to do with this of course, running their cheap-assed offenses and having the talking heads call it "God", but when you have a Dynasty in New England and the subsequent culture from it predicated on finding a needle in a ****ing haystack, how can the overall game at the professional level not suffer?

Mecca · 10-31-2009, 01:55 AM

That's why when you have a chance to draft a legit prospect you don't pass him on for something you can get every single year.

Some teams still don't understand what a rare prospect is and what can be had in every draft, they get married to systems they have to put in right now or they have to have this guy to make the system work.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The forum has basically filled up with people who believe things and they don't know why they believe them so their easy resort is to just attack people with different views.

Just wait it'll get better when the draft becomes the major talking point we'll have people that know absolute shit about the players offering their takes then complaining they got called dumb.

go to the coalition around that time, it will make you feel like those guys here are freaking Dimitroff.

Very good point on elite level talent and how it should be almost overdrafted because of the rarity.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-31-2009, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

go to the coalition around that time, it will make you feel like those guys here are freaking Dimitroff.

Very good point on elite level talent and how it should be almost overdrafted because of the rarity.

I did that last year. Can I just go to Bigguns.com instead? The Coalition is absolutely ****ing painful leading up to the draft.
I am deadly serious when I say that chewing on tinfoil while getting a culture is a more pleasurable experience.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-31-2009, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I did that last year. Can I just go to Bigguns.com instead? The Coalition is absolutely ****ing painful leading up to the draft.
I am deadly serious when I say that chewing on tinfoil while getting a culture is a more pleasurable experience.

Let me clarify; I went over there for a day or two to preach the Quarterback Gospel to those ****ing heathens, and my head still hurts.

ChiefsCountry · 10-31-2009, 02:20 AM

Last year was the worst mainly bc the QB position was the biggest prize on the draft board. Its always going to draw the sides. 08 was pretty calm mainly bc Dorsey fell to us like a gift.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2009, 02:23 AM

I have a question about last years draft and value (and I realize this is off topic):

if we were so dead set on selecting Tyson Jackson and we couldnt trade out of the spot, why didnt they just choose not to draft at 3 and let the pick defer until five to try to save the $$$? There is no rule against that and we would be paying the 5 slot (or even six or seven really)

heck, there wasnt a 3-4 team picking until 9 with GB, so we may have let the pick defer till 8 and saved a bunch of money.

veist · 10-31-2009, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I have a question about last years draft and value (and I realize this is off topic):

if we were so dead set on selecting Tyson Jackson and we couldnt trade out of the spot, why didnt they just choose not to draft at 3 and let the pick defer until five to try to save the $$$? There is no rule against that and we would be paying the 5 slot (or even six or seven really)

heck, there wasnt a 3-4 team picking until 9 with GB, so we may have let the pick defer till 8 and saved a bunch of money.

His agent is Eugene Parker of the Michael Crabtree debacle. He probably would have done something equally stupid had we tried to get cute like that.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by veist

His agent is Eugene Parker of the Michael Crabtree debacle. He probably would have done something equally stupid had we tried to get cute like that.

not if it was played the right way.

"we were hoping the X player would drop and he didnt so we took the best player we had on our board at the time we had to make a selection."

Oh well, its not like we would have spent the extra money anyway!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-31-2009, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Last year was the worst mainly bc the QB position was the biggest prize on the draft board. Its always going to draw the sides. 08 was pretty calm mainly bc Dorsey fell to us like a gift.

For all of Carl and Herm's suckage, it's too bad we didn't try to build on that 08 draft because it WAS a good one.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2009, 02:45 AM

heres a good and very telling post about his play so far:

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Originally Posted by BossChief View Post
I was a Pollard fan the whole time he was in KC. I have talked to him about a dozen times at camp and wanted to see how he was doing.

As long as you guys dont expect him to be great in coverage, you will be pleased.

He might have a hole or two in his game, but it's so nice to now have a safety who is good at something. Throughout the Texans' history, we've been plagued by some of the sorriest safety play imaginable. Pollard's been no worse in coverage than any of the other safeties we've run out there over the years.

And Pollard's strengths fit exactly what we needed. If you examine the Texans' game by game stats, you can tell the exact moment Pollard stepped onto the field for us: game four.

In games 1-3 (against a pretty feeble set of offenses: Jets, Titans and Jags), the Texans gave up an average of 205 yards/game on the ground. In those first three games, they allowed runs of 38, 39, 57, 91, 61 and 30 yards. Some pundits were asking if they were witnessing the worst defense of all time.

In the four games Pollard has played (Oakland, Arizona, Cincy and SF), the Texans have allowed an average of 48.5 yards. The longest run they've allowed was a 20-yarder to Heyward-Bey on a reverse. The best run by a RB in that span was a 13 yard gain by Justin Fargas.

Obviously, this incredible reversal is due to more than just one player, but Pollard has clearly been a key figure in the turnaround. I would say I'm incredibly pleased with Pollard right now.

Hammock Parties · 10-31-2009, 02:57 AM

Oakland, Arizona and SF have terrible rushing offenses.

We'll see how the Texans do against the run over the last 8 games...a leopard doesn't change it's spots. I have a very, very difficult time believing Pollard became a good tackler overnight.

It's time to start watching Texans games...maybe I'll just have to GIF Pollard up again, for better or for worse.

ChiefsCountry · 10-31-2009, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

not if it was played the right way.

"we were hoping the X player would drop and he didnt so we took the best player we had on our board at the time we had to make a selection."

Oh well, its not like we would have spent the extra money anyway!

Cleveland wanted him at 5.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2009, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Oakland, Arizona and SF have terrible rushing offenses.

We'll see how the Texans do against the run over the last 8 games...a leopard doesn't change it's spots. I have a very, very difficult time believing Pollard became a good tackler overnight.

It's time to start watching Texans games...maybe I'll just have to GIF Pollard up again, for better or for worse.

remember when I talked to you a couple weeks ago about thinking objectively about these players? The next week you came in firing bullets at LJ and Cassel, I couldnt believe it. It's time to do the same with Pollard, buddy.

if a team cuts their rushing yardage allowed over a stretch of 4 games by 75% and drops their yard/carry by two whole yards, you have to credit the catalyst. Its not a few posters sating that is the case over there, it is about every one of them singing praises of his play being the reason the changes happened. Going from over 200 yards per game given up to less than fifty is amazing, I dont care who they are playing.

See through the hate and homer-ism you have for certain players and you will become more realistic about them.

Everybody knew he was 100% miscast as a cover two safety and that he would pay better as a box safety, which is what he played at Purdue. Its just that nobody knew he would play this good.

Can you imagine you being wrong, and that those of us that said he was playing out of position and without any effectiveness from his front 7, making him look alot worse than he actually was, being right? He is playing as a box safety with a decent, if not very good, front seven and seems to be excelling and being the catalyst to a turnaround for their defense.

Sorry man, but I think you may have had another swing and miss here.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2009, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Cleveland wanted him at 5.

forgot about them being the ones who traded out...I had the dumb and thought it was tampa that traded out. Dont know why except to say the dumb had overtaken me.

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10-31-2009, 01:55 AM	#167
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-652950	That's why when you have a chance to draft a legit prospect you don't pass him on for something you can get every single year. Some teams still don't understand what a rare prospect is and what can be had in every draft, they get married to systems they have to put in right now or they have to have this guy to make the system work.
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10-31-2009, 02:20 AM	#171
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1521248	Last year was the worst mainly bc the QB position was the biggest prize on the draft board. Its always going to draw the sides. 08 was pretty calm mainly bc Dorsey fell to us like a gift.
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10-31-2009, 02:23 AM	#172
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1695912	I have a question about last years draft and value (and I realize this is off topic): if we were so dead set on selecting Tyson Jackson and we couldnt trade out of the spot, why didnt they just choose not to draft at 3 and let the pick defer until five to try to save the $$$? There is no rule against that and we would be paying the 5 slot (or even six or seven really) heck, there wasnt a 3-4 team picking until 9 with GB, so we may have let the pick defer till 8 and saved a bunch of money. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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10-31-2009, 02:45 AM	#176
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1695912	heres a good and very telling post about his play so far: Quote: Originally Posted by BossChief View Post I was a Pollard fan the whole time he was in KC. I have talked to him about a dozen times at camp and wanted to see how he was doing. As long as you guys dont expect him to be great in coverage, you will be pleased. He might have a hole or two in his game, but it's so nice to now have a safety who is good at something. Throughout the Texans' history, we've been plagued by some of the sorriest safety play imaginable. Pollard's been no worse in coverage than any of the other safeties we've run out there over the years. And Pollard's strengths fit exactly what we needed. If you examine the Texans' game by game stats, you can tell the exact moment Pollard stepped onto the field for us: game four. In games 1-3 (against a pretty feeble set of offenses: Jets, Titans and Jags), the Texans gave up an average of 205 yards/game on the ground. In those first three games, they allowed runs of 38, 39, 57, 91, 61 and 30 yards. Some pundits were asking if they were witnessing the worst defense of all time. In the four games Pollard has played (Oakland, Arizona, Cincy and SF), the Texans have allowed an average of 48.5 yards. The longest run they've allowed was a 20-yarder to Heyward-Bey on a reverse. The best run by a RB in that span was a 13 yard gain by Justin Fargas. Obviously, this incredible reversal is due to more than just one player, but Pollard has clearly been a key figure in the turnaround. I would say I'm incredibly pleased with Pollard right now. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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10-31-2009, 02:57 AM	#177
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $870478	Oakland, Arizona and SF have terrible rushing offenses. We'll see how the Texans do against the run over the last 8 games...a leopard doesn't change it's spots. I have a very, very difficult time believing Pollard became a good tackler overnight. It's time to start watching Texans games...maybe I'll just have to GIF Pollard up again, for better or for worse. __________________ Chiefs game films
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