Texans fans seem to be falling in love with Pollard.

[BossChief]

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[Mecca]

If you're given the chance to have a Cowher you should take that, I don't think it's an option for the Chiefs so I doubt it matters.

It did appear that finally in the end of his Steeler run he realized how important a QB is.

[LTL]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Cowher would give us a defense. Who else would you want ? Shanahan, Gruden ?

I know this won't be a popular opinion but preferably none of those guys. If our ultimate goal is to win the SB, then I would take those guys out of the equation since no coach has won a SB with 2 different teams. List is pretty freaking short for guys taken 2 different teams to the SB. I don't see any of those guys being the first guy to actually win with 2 different teams and maybe only 1 one them getting there.

The success that coaches had that got them the accodlades to begin with usually isn't duplicated elsewhere and their have been some pretty damn good coaches that have tried.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Jarrad Page isn't any good either, those 2 safeties got so much hype when in reality, neither one is very good.

Wrong!


Again.

[Boris The Great]

I want to say up front that I have seen every Texans game this year (yes I know, I am very lucky) and I have my own opinion on how Pollard has looked. But I wanted to see how the stats match up to my opinion.

Here are Pollards official stats from the league:

- 17 tackles, 6 assisted tackles, 23 total tackles.

I wont get into tackles versus assists, because those are subjective anyway. So anything Pollard does will be considered a tackle, even though we are counting some where he was only cleaning up on a play that Ryans or Cushing had already made.

Here is how his run tackle stats break down:

- 9 of his 23 tackles have been made against the run.

- 4 of his 9 tackles against the run were made against the Raiders, when they naturally stacked the box all game and made Russell try to beat them. So in the 3 games not against the Raiders, he has made 5 tackles against the run.

- Of his 9 total tackles against the run, 4 have been actual run-stuffing plays where the RB gained 4 yards or less. On the other 5, the RB gained at least 5 yards before being stopped.

- Of his 4 run-stuffing plays, 2 came against the Raiders.

Here are his pass numbers:

- 14 of his 23 tackles have been against the pass.

- 7 of those 14 tackles have been made between 5-10 yards downfield.

- 5 of those 14 tackles have come more than 10 yards downfield, with 2 coming after 20 or more yards.

- 2 of the 14 tackles have been made for short yardage.

So what can we tell from all this?

First, the idea that Houston is doing something special with him on a consistent basis is pure fiction. If Pollard was strictly being used in the box for run support, he would have more tackles against the run than he does, he wouldnt have as many downfield pass tackles as he does, and he would probably have short yardage tackles against the pass.

When then did use him up in run support, Pollard had a solid game (4 tackles, 2 for short yardage) against Oakland. But he has hardly done anything since then. He has made 1 tackle against the run in each of his last two games, neither of which were run-stuffing plays. He also continues to be a liability in pass coverage.

All of this supports what I thought from watching, which is that Pollard is the exact same player he was when he was here.

The guy Pollard replaced was complete ass, which stands to reason when a teams signs a safety off the street and has him start almost immediately. Their safety play was so bad that Pollard is an upgrade. Of course their fans like him. People here liked Damion McIntosh at LT because he wasnt Jordan Black.

But the improvement in the Texans run D has nothing to do with Bernard Pollard being an improved player, nor does it have anything to do with their coaching staff using him in ways that none of the coaching staffs here could figure out how to do.

Nothing about Pollard has changed. If you liked who he was and didnt think he should have been cut, thats fine. But dont get deluded into thinking that he has suddenly gotten better, because he hasnt.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

I want to say up front that I have seen every Texans game this year (yes I know, I am very lucky) and I have my own opinion on how Pollard has looked. But I wanted to see how the stats match up to my opinion.

Here are Pollards official stats from the league:

- 17 tackles, 6 assisted tackles, 23 total tackles.

I wont get into tackles versus assists, because those are subjective anyway. So anything Pollard does will be considered a tackle, even though we are counting some where he was only cleaning up on a play that Ryans or Cushing had already made.

Here is how his run tackle stats break down:

- 9 of his 23 tackles have been made against the run.

- 4 of his 9 tackles against the run were made against the Raiders, when they naturally stacked the box all game and made Russell try to beat them. So in the 3 games not against the Raiders, he has made 5 tackles against the run.

- Of his 9 total tackles against the run, 4 have been actual run-stuffing plays where the RB gained 4 yards or less. On the other 5, the RB gained at least 5 yards before being stopped.

- Of his 4 run-stuffing plays, 2 came against the Raiders.

Here are his pass numbers:

- 14 of his 23 tackles have been against the pass.

- 7 of those 14 tackles have been made between 5-10 yards downfield.

- 5 of those 14 tackles have come more than 10 yards downfield, with 2 coming after 20 or more yards.

- 2 of the 14 tackles have been made for short yardage.

So what can we tell from all this?

First, the idea that Houston is doing something special with him on a consistent basis is pure fiction. If Pollard was strictly being used in the box for run support, he would have more tackles against the run than he does, he wouldnt have as many downfield pass tackles as he does, and he would probably have short yardage tackles against the pass.

When then did use him up in run support, Pollard had a solid game (4 tackles, 2 for short yardage) against Oakland. But he has hardly done anything since then. He has made 1 tackle against the run in each of his last two games, neither of which were run-stuffing plays. He also continues to be a liability in pass coverage.

All of this supports what I thought from watching, which is that Pollard is the exact same player he was when he was here.

The guy Pollard replaced was complete ass, which stands to reason when a teams signs a safety off the street and has him start almost immediately. Their safety play was so bad that Pollard is an upgrade. Of course their fans like him. People here liked Damion McIntosh at LT because he wasnt Jordan Black.

But the improvement in the Texans run D has nothing to do with Bernard Pollard being an improved player, nor does it have anything to do with their coaching staff using him in ways that none of the coaching staffs here could figure out how to do.

Nothing about Pollard has changed. If you liked who he was and didnt think he should have been cut, thats fine. But dont get deluded into thinking that he has suddenly gotten better, because he hasnt.

I would had still kept Pollard over Brown one way or another, becuase of the fact that Pollard plays special teams, while Brown, to my knowledge, doesn't.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If we still had all these players and had traded LJ for the two firsts GB had on the table and we would be a much better team right now.

Link.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Brock

Link.

I used to have the story bookmarked on my last computer and now after looking for about an hour, all I can find is a story involving them offering a first and fourth and it is premium required (not wpi)

because I cant prove it, I retract the statement.

Maybe someone has it in their archives.

[ChiefsCountry]

The Green Bay trade was false, no truth to it at all. The only trade that legit legs was the Giants trading Jacobs and their first for him.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

I want to say up front that I have seen every Texans game this year (yes I know, I am very lucky) and I have my own opinion on how Pollard has looked. But I wanted to see how the stats match up to my opinion.

Here are Pollards official stats from the league:

- 17 tackles, 6 assisted tackles, 23 total tackles.

I wont get into tackles versus assists, because those are subjective anyway. So anything Pollard does will be considered a tackle, even though we are counting some where he was only cleaning up on a play that Ryans or Cushing had already made.

Here is how his run tackle stats break down:

- 9 of his 23 tackles have been made against the run.

- 4 of his 9 tackles against the run were made against the Raiders, when they naturally stacked the box all game and made Russell try to beat them. So in the 3 games not against the Raiders, he has made 5 tackles against the run.

- Of his 9 total tackles against the run, 4 have been actual run-stuffing plays where the RB gained 4 yards or less. On the other 5, the RB gained at least 5 yards before being stopped.

- Of his 4 run-stuffing plays, 2 came against the Raiders.

Here are his pass numbers:

- 14 of his 23 tackles have been against the pass.

- 7 of those 14 tackles have been made between 5-10 yards downfield.

- 5 of those 14 tackles have come more than 10 yards downfield, with 2 coming after 20 or more yards.

- 2 of the 14 tackles have been made for short yardage.

So what can we tell from all this?

First, the idea that Houston is doing something special with him on a consistent basis is pure fiction. If Pollard was strictly being used in the box for run support, he would have more tackles against the run than he does, he wouldnt have as many downfield pass tackles as he does, and he would probably have short yardage tackles against the pass.

When then did use him up in run support, Pollard had a solid game (4 tackles, 2 for short yardage) against Oakland. But he has hardly done anything since then. He has made 1 tackle against the run in each of his last two games, neither of which were run-stuffing plays. He also continues to be a liability in pass coverage.

All of this supports what I thought from watching, which is that Pollard is the exact same player he was when he was here.

The guy Pollard replaced was complete ass, which stands to reason when a teams signs a safety off the street and has him start almost immediately. Their safety play was so bad that Pollard is an upgrade. Of course their fans like him. People here liked Damion McIntosh at LT because he wasnt Jordan Black.

But the improvement in the Texans run D has nothing to do with Bernard Pollard being an improved player, nor does it have anything to do with their coaching staff using him in ways that none of the coaching staffs here could figure out how to do.

Nothing about Pollard has changed. If you liked who he was and didnt think he should have been cut, thats fine. But dont get deluded into thinking that he has suddenly gotten better, because he hasnt.

Link on the stats breakdown, please.

[macdawg]

Originally Posted by MVChiefFan

I hope you're not talking about me, I'm not an idiot who thinks that way. But I know (and I'm not going to go back to search to prove it) that over 90% of this board wanted Pollard or Page sent packing at the end of last season. They were too much of a liability together. EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE bitched about the big plays let up by Pollard. Look, I'm not saying he's not better than what we have but there was no one shedding tears when Pollard was first cut. And, personally, I think getting rid of him opens the door to draft someone who will be much better instead of standing pat with someone who's at the very most OK.

we also had the fewest sacks ever in a season last year, so how much of those big plays do you attribute to having the weakest pass rush in NFL history?

[OnTheWarpath15]

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[Brock]

Surprisingly, GoChiefs doesn't really know anything about football.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

After being part of two miserable seasons in Kansas City where the Chiefs were 6-26, Pollard said he’s thrilled to be on a 5-3 team that’s got reasonable expectations of a playoff berth.

"If not being a "53" is wrong, I don't wanna' be right" says BP.

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Link on the stats breakdown, please.

There is no one link that I know of. I wish there was. I had to go through the minutia of each individual game and keep track of his production. Anyone who has the time to kill can do the same if they are interested.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/pos...ns-improving-d

But I was told he sucks and that he has no role on an NFL football team.

Evidently there is no room for him on this mighty powerhouse of a club. We are far too close to winning to bother trying to develop an athletic safety in his early 20's that enjoys hitting people.

Besides, that guy sounds like a completely uncoachable malcontent.