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Old 11-05-2009, 07:40 PM   #1
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Dude, point out where I was wrong about Bernard Pollard.

He absolutely HAD to be cut. His performance warranted it.

The fact it woke his ass up and now he's playing better in no way makes me wrong about anything.
Well that's a pretty enviable position to be in - no matter what happens, you get to claim you were right.

If he sucks -- "Told ya so"
If he leaves and performs -- "Told ya so"

Nothing in his entire career indicated he was uncoachable, he just had a half-wit as a head coach that never attempted to work with him on his tackling technique or modify his scheme to fit Pollard's strengths.

Rather than see if he could be coached, we dumped him. Your position is that this was needed to wake him up, but that only makes a bit of sense if he ever appeared to be resistant to coaching.

That simply wasn't the case. It wasn't that he couldn't be coached, its that we didn't try.

You're as full of shit on this particular front as you are on...well pretty much everything.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:43 PM   #2
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That simply wasn't the case. It wasn't that he couldn't be coached, its that we didn't try.

You're as full of shit on this particular front as you are on...well pretty much everything.
You're telling me the new coaching staff didn't teach tackling technique?

Garbage.

When a guy goes out in preseason and lays a stinker like he did, cutting him is completely justified. We'll see how long this new "awesome" Bernard Pollard lasts.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:56 PM   #3
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You're telling me the new coaching staff didn't teach tackling technique?

Garbage.

When a guy goes out in preseason and lays a stinker like he did, cutting him is completely justified. We'll see how long this new "awesome" Bernard Pollard lasts.
The new coaching staff cut his ass after 1 training camp.

You seem to believe that a couple months is enough to make up for 2 years of poor coaching. Nevermind the fact that the Seattle game was clearly an example of a kid caught in the middle.

He was still working on trying to incorporate his hitter's instinct with the new scheme/technique. You could see how tentative he was in that game - he simply wasn't comfortable.

But hey, why give a 24 year old kid a little time to iron out the kinks when you can just cut him for Mike !@#$ing Brown?

You're absolutely wrong here. You are spinning in circles trying to defend the indefensible. Bernard Pollard has always been coachable, has always been talented and has always had a desire to crack some skulls. In Texas he's been coached better, placed in a better scheme (similar to one he'd see here, BTW) and his coaches have expressed confidence in him.

THAT'S why he's flourishing. There's no reason he couldn't have received the same things here; there's no reason we couldn't be getting above average SS play from a 25 year old. Instead we're getting arguably the worst SS play in the NFL from some dusty, broke-dick croney.

He didn't need to be cut, he needed to be taught.

In that sense, I guess you're right - he wouldn't be better here than he was, but only because Todd Haley can't coach anyone up for shit. Pollard would've progressed under Haley about like Bowe, Johnson, Albert, Cassel, Page, Flowers, Carr, etc... have.

He may not have progressed, but that's an indictment on the overmatched cockholster of a head coach we have, not Bernard Pollard.
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:00 PM   #4
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The new coaching staff cut his ass after 1 training camp.

You seem to believe that a couple months is enough to make up for 2 years of poor coaching. Nevermind the fact that the Seattle game was clearly an example of a kid caught in the middle.

He was still working on trying to incorporate his hitter's instinct with the new scheme/technique. You could see how tentative he was in that game - he simply wasn't comfortable.

But hey, why give a 24 year old kid a little time to iron out the kinks when you can just cut him for Mike !@#$ing Brown?

You're absolutely wrong here. You are spinning in circles trying to defend the indefensible. Bernard Pollard has always been coachable, has always been talented and has always had a desire to crack some skulls. In Texas he's been coached better, placed in a better scheme (similar to one he'd see here, BTW) and his coaches have expressed confidence in him.

THAT'S why he's flourishing. There's no reason he couldn't have received the same things here; there's no reason we couldn't be getting above average SS play from a 25 year old. Instead we're getting arguably the worst SS play in the NFL from some dusty, broke-dick croney.

He didn't need to be cut, he needed to be taught.

In that sense, I guess you're right - he wouldn't be better here than he was, but only because Todd Haley can't coach anyone up for shit. Pollard would've progressed under Haley about like Bowe, Johnson, Albert, Cassel, Page, Flowers, Carr, etc... have.

He may not have progressed, but that's an indictment on the overmatched cockholster of a head coach we have, not Bernard Pollard.
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He was still working on trying to incorporate his hitter's instinct with the new scheme/technique. You could see how tentative he was in that game - he simply wasn't comfortable.
Oh, garbage. Page improved his tackling. Page was just as poor a tackler as Pollard was last year but he didn't shit the bed in preseason.
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:07 PM   #6
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Oh, garbage. Page improved his tackling. Page was just as poor a tackler as Pollard was last year but he didn't shit the bed in preseason.
Pollard improved in every area each year.

Gunther no doubt emphasized turnovers and Pollard always looked for the knockout before the wrapup.

He wasnt a great player, but you dont throw out average players that are young during a rebuild. Especially if that guy is a safety that lead your team in tackles the previous year.
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:09 PM   #7
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Pollard improved in every area each year.

Gunther no doubt emphasized turnovers and Pollard always looked for the knockout before the wrapup.

He wasnt a great player, but you dont throw out average players that are young during a rebuild. Especially if that guy is a safety that lead your team in tackles the previous year.
Nothing about Pollard's play screamed "average."

And I wish people would stop bring up tackle stats.
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Nothing about Pollard's play screamed "average."

And I wish people would stop bring up tackle stats.
I am always harping on people for using tackle stats, the reason is because they are usually not a good measuring stick to compare players between teams...Im not doing that, Im comparing players from the SAME team and pointing out that two of our top three tacklers were our safeties. It is 100% relevant in this case. If I was comparing his tackles to that of his with the Texans it would be IMO unusable because of the difference in how they are counted on the different teams...fair enough?

And right now, given the massive difference in the play of his defense before and since his insertion into the starting lineup...one would have to say he is above average, or have their head in the sand.
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Oh, garbage. Page improved his tackling. Page was just as poor a tackler as Pollard was last year but he didn't shit the bed in preseason.
Pollard had 1 bad game where he kept getting schooled in the open field.

First -- There are all of about 5 SSs in the NFL that will consistently make an openfield tackle.

Second -- THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A PRE-SEASON!!

Pollard went out there trying to pick up the new scheme and had a bad game because he was struggling to figure out the new system. It's not the first time it's happened to a young kid, it won't be the last.

Instead of recognizing his talent and his work ethic, we cut him based on a lousy pre-season game and the fact that our head coach feels he is above developing the skills of younger players.

You're honestly trying to say that Bernard Pollard didn't care about improving his tackling because he hadn't been cut before? Nevermind the fact that the guy was going to be a free agent soon. Nah, lifetime financial security wouldn't have meant anything for the guy.

Your position here is completely assinine.
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Pollard had 1 bad game where he kept getting schooled in the open field.
No, he had a long history of it.

The fact he went out and repeated that history in the most important preseason game said a lot.
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No, he had a long history of it.

The fact he went out and repeated that history in the most important preseason game said a lot.
No it didn't.

It said he looked bad in a game that didn't matter, prior to a season that doesn't matter.

It was GD reeruned to cut the guy going into a knowingly lost season. He was easily more talented than 1/2 the chaff we kept on this roster. Now he's shown that, with proper coaching and a team that believes in him, he can be a well above average NFL safety.

Your boy Haley probably wouldn't have gotten that out of him because he's a worthless douchebag, but using that same logic we probably should just cut Bowe, Johnson, Albert...well pretty much the entire damn team, seeing as how every last player on it has taken a step back from last season.

A competent, qualified NFL head coach would've made a solid NFL player out of Bernard Pollard. Unfortunately, we don't have one of those.
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