Chiefs What position do we need the most in the first round? - Page 13

googlegoogle · 11-08-2009, 04:19 PM

Half of you were saying LT.

Is that still true?

Dline?

chiefzilla1501 · 11-08-2009, 10:04 PM

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Beuerlein was saying during the game today how safety is becoming an important position because of the way the game is played today. A few years ago I never would have thought a safety for a pick as high as we will be picking but a great safety IS a game changer worth the high pick.

Especially true in a 3-4

milkman · 11-08-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Both Reed and Polamalu have great talent around them which is one of the reasons it makes them great players. What do the Ravens and Steelers have in common. Great LBs and a great pass rush...........two things the Chiefs do not have.
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Bob Sanders is s difference maker for the Colts, when he gets on th field, and the Colts have neither a great D-Line or great LBs.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-08-2009, 10:11 PM

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The other thing that has increased the value of the safety position is the evolution of the passing game, fueled by the rules changes.

Lots of things have changed. The best QBs have become so good at getting rid of the ball that they've been able to neutralize pass rushes. That's a very small contributor. A very, very big contributor has been the evolution of spread-out offensive sets. Shutdown corners used to be held at a premium when you had 1 or 2 major receiving targets. Look at New England--their #3 target is just as dangerous as their #1 target. And that spread out offense has really opened up a lot of the underneath stuff, particularly to RBs.

If you can't get to the QB quickly enough and you can't have 3 to 4 shutdown corners, then your best bet is to bring in a guy that can sniff plays out. That's your safety.

TRR · 11-08-2009, 10:12 PM

In my opinion the O Line holes need to be filled in Free Agency. I'd keep Albert at LT and Waters at LG for the time being, and sign a FA Center, RG, and RT.

I would draft a playmaking Safety with the first pick, and fill in with O Line depth early and often. I would also look for a playmaking WR, TE, or RB that may have slipped with the 2nd or 3rd round pick(s).

The most important part is solidifing the O Line E A R L Y. There can't be hardly any guess work surrounding the O Line going into the draft.
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chiefzilla1501 · 11-08-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

In my opinion the O Line holes need to be filled in Free Agency. I'd keep Albert at LT and Waters at LG for the time being, and sign a FA Center, RG, and RT.

I would draft a playmaking Safety with the first pick, and fill in with O Line depth early and often. I would also look for a playmaking WR, TE, or RB that may have slipped with the 2nd or 3rd round pick(s).

The most important part is solidifing the O Line E A R L Y. There can't be hardly any guess work surrounding the O Line going into the draft.
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I agree with you, except that the free agents will probably be a lot more like MIke Goff than Steve Hutchinson. A LOT more.

The Chiefs absolutely must draft some o-linemen. But it better not come in the top 5.

milkman · 11-08-2009, 10:18 PM

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But at least they made the playoffs because of that Oline......you win up front you have a chance, you lose up front and all the playmakers in the world is not going to help.
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Bull.

Not once during Marty's years did I ever think we had a chance of advancing to the SB.

Scoring an average of 11 points in the playoffs in those years, other than '93, is clear evidence we never had a chance.

We were pretenders.

We were diving a '68 Ford pick up in the Indy 500.

milkman · 11-08-2009, 10:19 PM

Oh, and the Steelers won a SB with a crappy O-Line last year.

Why?

They had playmakers at QB, WR, and safety.

milkman · 11-08-2009, 10:21 PM

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Well I'm done trying beat a dead horse. History says no at a top 5 safety. Happened only once in the past ten years. I would bet big money the Chiefs don't take a safety in the top 5 pick either.
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And no one would bet against you, because Pioli hasn't shown he knows how to build a team.

TRR · 11-08-2009, 10:21 PM

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I agree with you, except that the free agents will probably be a lot more like MIke Goff than Steve Hutchinson. A LOT more.

The Chiefs absolutely must draft some o-linemen. But it better not come in the top 5.

Looking over the potential O Line FA's, there are some players to be had. Even if you have to overspend, I think you have to fill two of the three O Line positions (C, RG, RT) via FA.

The O Line needs to be completely set by training camp. This season was doomed from the beginning as not even the coaching staff was sure who would start at RT, and kept shuffling the line throughout the Preseason.

Get your 5 starters, and build some consistency early.
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Mr. Laz · 11-08-2009, 10:23 PM

A safety is at his best when he is smart,athletic and is in a defense that is good enough to let him free lance alot.

**BossChief** · 11-08-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Bull.

Not once during Marty's years did I ever think we had a chance of advancing to the SB.

Scoring an average of 11 points in the playoffs in those years, other than '93, is clear evidence we never had a chance.

We were pretenders.

We were diving a '68 Ford pick up in the Indy 500.

I felt we had a chance during the time Joe was here. That's it for me.

milkman · 11-08-2009, 10:26 PM

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Yeah that's one guy in the last 20 or so years. Although I think Berry might very well be the most talented guy out there. It's funny because last year everybody argued against Curry because you don't take a MLB that high. Well you don't take a lot of safeties that high either. Reed and Polamalu were mid to late 1st round. But you gotta deal with what's on the board. But there's a long way to go to have these arguments. This team needs a playmaking safety, a true pass rusher, and a true NT to be a real 3-4 team.

Those of us arguing for a safety in this draft, and against Curry in the last draft, see the safeties as rare special talents, while Curry is not.

Chiefs=Champions · 11-08-2009, 10:26 PM

Interesting tid bit. Guess who was a scout for the Browns when Eric Turner was drafted?

Thats right Scott Pioli... hmmm

milkman · 11-08-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I felt we had a chance during the time Joe was here. That's it for me.

I thought trading for Montana was a mistake, because he was injury prone at that point in his career, and because he was a short term solution for a long term problem.

As it turned out, I was right about his injury problems.

He failed to finish the Buffalo game due to injury, and he couldn't stay on the field the following year.

He almost overcame the odds, though.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-08-2009, 10:37 PM

Man, we've got some consensus among posters this year. Looks like almost everyone's head is where it needs to be.
Now THAT is something to be proud of as a fan base.

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