Petro ripping the Chiefs...

[petegz28]

Bitching about the TG trade and hwo he was treated
Bitching about Pollard and how he was treated
Bitching about Waters and how he was treated
Bitching about DJ and how he is treated
Bitching about Bowe being benched



Petro is on overload...."this team attacks every talented player they have"....

[MichaelH]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Herm turned the entire Chief's team into one big tumor IMO. To remove all of the cancer, there is going to be some collateral damage. And there has been plenty.

There have been a LOT of mistakes by this new regime, but this team did fight at the end yesterday, unlike any of this teams efforts the previous three years.

It is hard to find positives right now, but it makes it easier to play golf on a Sunday afternoon, and watch the DVR later.

I think that's one of the biggest mistakes this year, only playing about 5 minutes of real football. It seems that Haley all of a sudden realizes it's the 4th quarter with 6 minutes left and then makes some good calls. It happened yesterday, it happened in the Dallas game, the Oakland game and the Giants game.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

I think that's one of the biggest mistakes this year, only playing about 5 minutes of real football. It seems that Haley all of a sudden realizes it's the 4th quarter with 6 minutes left and then makes some good calls. It happened yesterday, it happened in the Dallas game, the Oakland game and the Giants game.

The team clearly needs an OC, calling plays. At first, it was kind of refreshing and unpredictible.
But now, it seems more haphazard, and gets almost maddening to watch. I know he is learning, just like a lot of the players, but damn.

On the bright side, this team has got a badass kicker/punter! I caught myself anticipating the punts yesterday, and marveling at their beauty.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I caught myself anticipating the punts yesterday, and marveling at their beauty.

[blazzin311]

Originally Posted by Jerm

I didn't mean it literally.

What I meant was guys like Pollard, Waters, LJ and DJ had this attitude like Pioli and Haley owed them something and better show them respect blah blah blah when they hadn't proved anything to either...not how it works.

That's just what I think though.
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Bingo. Nice insight.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You continue to be a moron. My comments about Johnson and Pollard were aimed at what people on this messageboard were posting, and I noted that in 2 posts.

I don't expect you to be much more intelligent than your average pebble, because that ship clearly sailed for you at birth. Perhaps, however, you could gain an ability to figure out something as painfully obvious as "message board" when it's put into a point about Pollard. Perhaps you could also read the post you're bitching about, since I posted "Was it Pioli that was a first round disappointment, or was that Johnson?" and you yourself called Johnson a disappointment in your response.

The "worst thing about this ****ing hire" has been idiots like you who knew the team was going to have to struggle as it got rid of dead weight and problem players on a team that was already bereft of talent, but still piss and moan about every negative they can find, just because the people in charge decided not to draft the man you wanted to blow.

I agree with the part in bold. Why people are suprised and bitching is beyond me. It's not going to get better this season. If you don't recognize this you are a fool. Hell you should probably have realized this before the season started. I guess some are just so blind and want to win so badly they just are not patient enough to see and understand the process and road ahead of them to get to that point. This team had to be gutted through and through, and this process is most likely not finished. Get used to it people. After this season when some offseason moves are made if the Chiefs are not playing better and winning some games next year then it's time to panic. Not now. So stop complaining and let things play out a bit.

Originally Posted by MichaelH

I think that's one of the biggest mistakes this year, only playing about 5 minutes of real football. It seems that Haley all of a sudden realizes it's the 4th quarter with 6 minutes left and then makes some good calls. It happened yesterday, it happened in the Dallas game, the Oakland game and the Giants game.

Agreed. Some good things have happened in spurts for this Chiefs Offense at the end of the game when Haley has taken the reigns off of Cassell and let him air it out a bit. I think the Chiefs/ mainly Haley should make a point to start trying/ finding ways to do this earlier over the next couple of games to see if they can build some kind of consistency there. I'm sure it's easier said than done though. I kind of doubt that's going to happen though but one could hope.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by blazzin311

I agree with the part in bold. Why people are suprised and bitching is beyond me. It's not going to get better this season. If you don't recognize this you are a fool. Hell you should probably have realized this before the season started. I guess some are just so blind and want to win so badly they just are not patient enough to see and understand the process and road ahead of them to get to that point. This team had to be gutted through and through, and this process is most likely not finished. Get used to it people. After this season when some offseason moves are made if the Chiefs are not playing better and winning some games next year then it's time to panic. Not now. So stop complaining and let things play out a bit.

So you're saying it is perfectly acceptable for someone as "decorated" as Pioli, to come in, bring in 30+ new players via FA, and none of them be significant upgrades over the player they replaced?

That's almost impossible to do.

People aren't panicking, and people didn't expect more than a few wins.

But they do expect that the so-called Executive of the Decade would hit on a player here or there, especially considering he's already turned over 65% of the roster.

[Titty Meat]

lol @ this town.

[GloryDayz]

Yeah, ripping the Chiefs is hard these days!

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So you're saying it is perfectly acceptable for someone as "decorated" as Pioli, to come in, bring in 30+ new players via FA, and none of them be significant upgrades over the player they replaced?

That's almost impossible to do.

People aren't panicking, and people didn't expect more than a few wins.

But they do expect that the so-called Executive of the Decade would hit on a player here or there, especially considering he's already turned over 65% of the roster.

We may not have expected a lot of wins, but the crazy moves they've made (who cares about LJ right now) show them for the goofs they are.

[HemiEd]

To be objective, there is no question that a lot of the player changes have not proven yet to be upgrades. In fact, at this early time, many seem to be downgrades.
However, we do not know all the behind the scenes issues, that some of the former players may have had.
For the team to truly become a team, they need to all buy in, or it just won't work.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

To be objective, there is no question that a lot of the player changes have not proven yet to be upgrades. In fact, at this early time, many seem to be downgrades.
However, we do not know all the behind the scenes issues, that some of the former players may have had.
For the team to truly become a team, they need to all buy in, or it just won't work.

What's called for is more motivational propoganda posters.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

To be objective, there is no question that a lot of the player changes have not proven yet to be upgrades. In fact, at this early time, many seem to be downgrades.
However, we do not know all the behind the scenes issues, that some of the former players may have had.
For the team to truly become a team, they need to all buy in, or it just won't work.

I'm curious as to your assessment of the positions. The group that bitches about everything is useless for this, but you'll be able to offer some insight:

Other than the Gonzalez loss and, arguably, the L.J. loss now, what positions do you actually think have been downgraded from last season? Also, if you could point out any of those 'downgraded' positions that you think were replaced with long-term players, that would be helpful, too.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Is this the same Petro who said good riddance to Gonzales and told Waters to man up with the new regime?

"ROR, why do you bag on Petro? He's teh best in KC"!!!




Angry, don't give a ****, east coast-type sports jock for covering this franchise please...

[blazzin311]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

To be objective, there is no question that a lot of the player changes have not proven yet to be upgrades. In fact, at this early time, many seem to be downgrades.
However, we do not know all the behind the scenes issues, that some of the former players may have had.
For the team to truly become a team, they need to all buy in, or it just won't work.

This.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So you're saying it is perfectly acceptable for someone as "decorated" as Pioli, to come in, bring in 30+ new players via FA, and none of them be significant upgrades over the player they replaced?

That's almost impossible to do.

People aren't panicking, and people didn't expect more than a few wins.

But they do expect that the so-called Executive of the Decade would hit on a player here or there, especially considering he's already turned over 65% of the roster.

No what I'm saying is it doesn't matter how many FAs and players were let go/ replaced on the roster this year with the scrubs they were bringing in. Their plan at least for this year it seems, was to keep the guys on the roster who were buying in and at the same time they thought had potential to become good players. While at the same time picking up some fillers and FAs off of the street, and not really any high profile players mind you. Now that they have a better idea of which of these guys they kept can be good players for this team in the future which right now doesen't seem like a ton, they can make bigger moves this offseason to get this roster straightened out a bit. But they had to know for sure what they were working with. It is very possible however, and even likely I'd say that they may have underestimated the state of the franchise and how far away the Chiefs truly are from contending when they first arrived. They wouldn't be the first GM and Coach to do so though. I'm willing to reserve further judgement to see what kind of moves are made in the offseason though. Any good fan would. Hell if we can tolerate all of the years mediocrity that King Carl put us as fans through I think we can be a bit more patient with Pioli and Haley. Good things take time. Hopefully Pioli and crew will bring the Chiefs good things but we're not going to find out this year. Judging them on the job they've done this year is kind like judging a book by it's cover. I don't have the answers though. This is all just my opinion. Take from it what you want.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I'm curious as to your assessment of the positions. The group that bitches about everything is useless for this, but you'll be able to offer some insight:

Other than the Gonzalez loss and, arguably, the L.J. loss now, what positions do you actually think have been downgraded from last season? Also, if you could point out any of those 'downgraded' positions that you think were replaced with long-term players, that would be helpful, too.

The one that sticks out the most right now, is Mike Brown. I don't think any of those three (Goff, Brown, Vrabel etc.), or many of the other players Pioli has brought in, were thought of as being part of the long term plan. There are several others, but I will use Brown.

Prior to the addition of Brown, I think most of us felt this team was in pretty good shape in the secondary, compared to the other segments. It was about the only positive legacy that Herm left IMO. When Herm took this team over, the secondary was pathetic and had been for a while.

Now, they kick a recent 2nd round pick to the curb, in favor of Mike Brown? The same Mike Brown that was let go by the Bears. Why would they do that?

The only plausible explanation, it has to be something like leadership and creating a better climate for building this team. I have seen this same thing happen in the corporate world, short term, sometimes who have to let go of stars, or potential stars to create and atmosphere for team accomplishment.

I know they keep on saying they are trying to win now, and they probably are to an extent. But, I think the Vrabels, Goffs, etc. were brought in as stop gaps, so the atmosphere could be changed.

Oh, and I have no, none experience with football, but in the corporate world, any disrespect of leadership or direction by one of the "players" needs to be dealt with swiftly and firmly.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

That atmosphere smells like the Blue River wastewater treatment plant.