Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back! - Page 3

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

Dwayne Bowe is a beast but I think they will trade him.

I doubt it, Haley ha spoken highly of him and it would likely be partially his call.

I can see them letting Flowers and Carr move on though. NE never valued corners and usually let them go when their contracts came up.

That will be the meltdown.

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think Cassel is ridiculously gun shy, this is a bad team if he throws a pick going for a big play so be it.

But he plays like we have a great defense and as long as he doesn't **** up we might win, I don't want a QB like that.

That is where I disagree with you.

I see it as he plays knowing we have shit for D. We can't afford turnovers. This defense can't stop anyone. By controlling the ball and taking sacks we are at the very minimum controlling field position.

Again, though I don't believe Cassel will be the next Montana or Elway, I believe he will do much better next season assuming we actually address the o-line.

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think Cassel is ridiculously gun shy, this is a bad team if he throws a pick going for a big play so be it.

But he plays like we have a great defense and as long as he doesn't **** up we might win, I don't want a QB like that.

Me neither, even Peyton Manning threw a shit ton of picks because he truste his arm enough to try.

Id rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 01:47 AM

Look even if you think we have no time to go down the field at all, throw the short passes to Bowe then, how hard is that?

He is the only player we have on offense you do whatever you can to feed him the ball.

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

That is where I disagree with you.

I see it as he plays knowing we have shit for D. We can't afford turnovers. This defense can't stop anyone. By controlling the ball and taking sacks we are at the very minimum controlling field position.

Again, though I don't believe Cassel will be the next Montana or Elway, I believe he will do much better next season assuming we actually address the o-line.

See I think that's ass backwards, playing this way and being coached this way is how you ruin QB's.

When you are on a bad team you take chances to make plays, Cassel plays like he's a game manager of a 90s Chiefs team.

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 01:50 AM

Whitlock should tell Haley to visit this board!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-10-2009, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Me neither, even Peyton Manning threw a shit ton of picks because he truste his arm enough to try.

Id rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 01:52 AM

Matt Cassel won't even attempt a throw unless the guy has a huge gap of separation that is all I need to know about what he's thinking.

He's a game manager QB who doesn't want to make mistakes. This is suppose to be our franchise?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

A 27 year old does not get the same margin of error as a rookie, if we're going to treat him that way this is already a loser because by the time he's any good he'll be 32.

What was the sales pitch by the Cassholes again? Oh yeah; experience!

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay

No what i'm saying is exactly what you pointed out. Bowe isn't of the Moss/Welker ilk.

God help this franchise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

I doubt it, Haley ha spoken highly of him and it would likely be partially his call.

I can see them letting Flowers and Carr move on though. NE never valued corners and usually let them go when their contracts came up.

That will be the meltdown.

That's my breaking point, right there. There is no turning back for Pioli at that point. You think I'm an asshole to him now?
Oh my god you can't even BEGIN to imagine what I'm capable of if he ****s that up.

Micjones · 11-10-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time

Flacco has 2, Ryan has 1, Rivers has 3.
This is not unique to Cassel. QB's benefit from "garbage time" situations all over the league.

Quote:

and you always look to check down if the first option is covered

He has time to go through his reads with this God-awful line protecting him?

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He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

Chambers made a negligible adjustment to catch that ball.
To a ball thrown to the middle of the field (where any good deep ball should be placed in that situation).

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

What was the sales pitch by the Cassholes again? Oh yeah; experience!

God help this franchise.

That's my breaking point, right there. There is no turning back for Pioli at that point. You think I'm an asshole to him now?
Oh my god you can't even BEGIN to imagine what I'm capable of if he ****s that up.

Asante Samuel

or

Ty Law

how does he play it with Flowers and Carr?

iirc Carr is only signed till the end of next year.

Flowers the next.

I may be wrong.

Titty Meat · 11-10-2009, 02:05 AM

Brandon Carr sucks anyways

Hammock Parties · 11-10-2009, 02:05 AM

I don't think either of them will command a huge contract.

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay

Brandon Carr sucks anyways

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 02:09 AM

If he plays alot of Madden he probably does think they suck, the Chiefs CB's are useless on that game.

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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11-10-2009, 01:47 AM	#34
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-562950	Look even if you think we have no time to go down the field at all, throw the short passes to Bowe then, how hard is that? He is the only player we have on offense you do whatever you can to feed him the ball.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-562950	Matt Cassel won't even attempt a throw unless the guy has a huge gap of separation that is all I need to know about what he's thinking. He's a game manager QB who doesn't want to make mistakes. This is suppose to be our franchise?
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-562950	If he plays alot of Madden he probably does think they suck, the Chiefs CB's are useless on that game.
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