Get of Mark Castle's back!

[pr_capone]

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

IMO on about 20% of the hits he takes (not just sacks) i think he takes too long. on the rest the rush is there too quickly. the MAIN problem wth a hot read is the our WRs dont seem to get it and never look for the ball. And huard would fall down BEFORE being touched, i have seen that from cassel a total of once this year

hell last night they showed that roethlisberger had over 5 seconds to pass at one point, cassel doesnt see half that sometimes

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Me neither, even Peyton Manning threw a shit ton of picks because he truste his arm enough to try.

Id rather die on my feet, than die on my knees.

FYP

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He does take a lot of time. It's my opinion he's been coached to take a sack rather than force a last second pass that results in a fumble or INT.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

IMO on about 20% of the hits he takes (not just sacks) i think he takes too long. on the rest the rush is there too quickly. the MAIN problem wth a hot read is the our WRs dont seem to get it and never look for the ball. And huard would fall down BEFORE being touched, i have seen that from cassel a total of once this year

So for the most part we can agree, that he takes too much time, and the Chiefs have line that doesn't give him enough time.

Would you also agree, that he is getting a little gun shy from getting clobbered more than any other QB in the league? Maybe even happy feet to the point of panicking when he actually has some time?

Answer, set him down and let Brodie play. Let Cassel miss starting a few games, maybe he might get a fresh perspective.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

So for the most part we can agree, that he takes too much time, and the Chiefs have line that doesn't give him enough time.

Would you also agree, that he is getting a little gun shy from getting clobbered more than any other QB in the league? Maybe even happy feet to the point of panicking when he actually has some time?

Answer, set him down and let Brodie play. Let Cassel miss starting a few games, maybe he might get a fresh perspective.

ON the first yes i agree and have said that for weeks.

on the 2nd, no. i feel that would do more harm than good. would you have sat manning in 2001 when he threw a lot of picks and got happy feet when pressured? how about his rookie year? Funny thing about manning his 4 highest INT years are also his 4of his 5 top sacks taken years. WHY?

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

ON the first yes i agree and have said that for weeks.

on the 2nd, no. i feel that would do more harm than good. would you have sat manning in 2001 when he threw a lot of picks and got happy feet when pressured? how about his rookie year? Funny thing about manning his 4 highest INT years are also his 4of his 5 top sacks taken years. WHY?

You are comparing Cassel to Manning? That is laughable, very laughable.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

So for the most part we can agree, that he takes too much time, and the Chiefs have line that doesn't give him enough time.

Would you also agree, that he is getting a little gun shy from getting clobbered more than any other QB in the league? Maybe even happy feet to the point of panicking when he actually has some time?

Answer, set him down and let Brodie play. Let Cassel miss starting a few games, maybe he might get a fresh perspective.

Do I think he's getting gun shy? At times. He hung in there at the end of the Jax game and threw some good balls knowing he would get clobbered.

The best thing for him would be for the Chiefs to get an OC that can:
a. get him a little better protection;
b. get a running game going and try to stick with it if it works;
c. stop flipping WR's on him every week;
d. let him throw the ball down field.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

You are comparing Cassel to Manning? That is laughable, very laughable.

no i'm comparing the SITUATIONS. even the greatest Qbs in the game have problems when pressured, i said this about manning a couple of weeks ago(happy feet and not the same guy when hit) and now that i look it up it's true. his 4 worst int years are also in the his top 5 years for sacks.

not so laughable when you look at it that way IMO

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Do I think he's getting gun shy? At times. He hung in there at the end of the Jax game and threw some good balls knowing he would get clobbered.

The best thing for him would be for the Chiefs to get an OC that can:
a. get him a little better protection;
b. get a running game going and try to stick with it if it works;
c. stop flipping WR's on him every week;
d. let him throw the ball down field.

I would say you have some real strong points, especially C. I have heard that it helps both WR and QB if they get familiar, and can count on each other. He certainly hasn't had that luxury.

The same might be said with the OL, they need to play together and develop some continuity. Of course, they have to have some talent to start with, and that has been beat to death.

I still think it would help him to set a while, but I doubt that happens unless he gets injurred. At the rate it is going, that is a major concern. He is really getting clobbered.

[Brock]

Duuhhhuurrr, put Brodie Coyle back in....he's good and stuff....

[pr_capone]

[QUOTE=Coogs;6251147]pr_capone

Just for the fun of it, let's throw in Aaron Rodgers numbers projected out over his 2nd season just like Cassels. Same order as the other guys...

Completions 328
Attempts 520
Percent 63.1
Yards 4510
TD's 32
INT's 10
Sacks 74

And Rogers is only 25 as compared to 27.[quote]

Let's take a look at the weapons both teams had. The 2005 Steelers and the 2009 Chiefs.

Steelers:

Bettis, RB - Pro Bowler x6
Miller, TE
Parker, RB - Pro Bowler x2
Randle El, WR
Morgan, WR
Ward, WR - Pro Bowler x4


Chiefs:

Bowe, WR

Big difference me thinks.

I'm not bashing on Cassel (and his name is Matt Cassel, not Mark Castle... so in a way, you are disrespecting Cassel more than most here). I just feel like we have the right to question his abilities just like any other player on the team. He is not doing his job to a satisfactory level game in and game out. In fact, besides a moment or two in three games (Oakland, Dallas, Jax), he has been pretty poor at best.

I know his name. Mark Castle is CP jargon so I used it. As fans, of course we have the right to question his abilities... but people on the board are taking it to an extreme. It's not like we have Russel or Leaf lining up behind center.

With a better o-line and consistency in his receiving core along with a running game, I think we will see a completely different QB. Manning or Montana? Probably not. A solid QB though? Yeah.

Sure, I see him not have a lot of time to throw on many occasions. But I also see him have time on once in a while... maybe a roll out or scramble... when he has had time to set his feet, and had receivers open, and he has missed them badly. Yes, I have seen the best of QB's do that as well. But I also see other QB's make those plays on a much more consistant basis.

I completely agree... the guy needs to improve his completion percentage without a doubt. I've said that 2 times already in this thread.

I find it hard to believe you can watch any game so far this season, and not start to question weather Cassel shouldn't be pulled for the better of the team. If not, then everybody else including Brown, Rudy, Goff, Albert, Carr, and on and on, should get a free pass as well.

The difference between Cassel and Niswanger, Goff, and Albert is that Cassel's ability to do his job depends on Niswanger, Goff, and Albert's ability to do theirs... not the other way around.

On the opposite end, Brown gets no pass as he is a pro-bowler whose job is to not whiff on tackles.

[chiefzilla1501]

Excusable:
-Needs at least an average offensive line.
-Until last Sunday, has never had a legit #2 receiver. And NO receiver that was any kind of a threat to run downfield
-Has no running game. A running game puts more defenders in the box, which opens up the passing game
-Max protect. Because our o-line can't do their job, our tight ends are usually blocking. When there are less receiving options, it's hard to spread the defense out
-A real QBs coach. Someone needs to sit him down and COACH HIM UP. I'm still stunned he doesn't have one yet.

Inexcusable:
-Needs to be better with the hot reads
-Has to stop letting his facial expressions show his frustration
-Needs to be more accurate when he has time to throw down the field
-In some instances, needs to get rid of the ball faster

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I curse the day this sonofabitch was brought to KC; he's done nothing but make the off season and regular season a complete ****ing drag.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

A 27 year old does not get the same margin of error as a rookie, if we're going to treat him that way this is already a loser because by the time he's any good he'll be 32.

It can happen. I don't think his situation is all that much different from Aaron Rodgers or Matt Schaub. Schaub started on a new team at 25 and is starting to light on fire. Rodgers has some better weapons to work with and looks like he's having the same kind of issues as Cassel right now. I don't think either of those teams is particularly upset at their QB situation right now, nor is anyone that upset that the Packers drafted Rodgers when they had Favre.

[Bunit]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Whitlock should tell Haley to visit this board!

You act like Haley would give a fuck. I aint gonna read through all this shit but there is blame to go all over. Our O-line is ****in terrible and no running game either.

Not the best of conditions for ol' boy Cassel to get his shit together. But yeah, at the first sign of the pocket collapsing he looks to get the **** out of Dodge.

Haley needs to open shit up more, like he seems to do at the end of games. Don't understand why Cassel just doesn't take a ****in chance and throw it up to Bowe either, or at least just throw to him. These short passes are going to have me end up breaking my ****ing computer.

p.s. good looking out badmamajama on the links throughout the season although this shit tis getting hard as **** to watch.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It can happen. I don't think his situation is all that much different from Aaron Rodgers or Matt Schaub. Schaub started on a new team at 25 and is starting to light on fire. Rodgers has some better weapons to work with and looks like he's having the same kind of issues as Cassel right now. I don't think either of those teams is particularly upset at their QB situation right now, nor is anyone that upset that the Packers drafted Rodgers when they had Favre.

Matt Schaub was immediately better than Cassel is now. His TD-INT ratio was flat, but he completed 66% of his passes and had almost 8 YPA.

Cassel isn't close to either one of those numbers.

And if someone whose upside is Matt Schaub is what we traded for................****.