NFL Draft The Chiefs are now about 8th in draft order. What if the safeties are off the board? - Page 7

Direckshun · 11-23-2009, 02:54 PM

There are more than two teams who need safety ahead of us, and you know the Raiders are going to go for Mays.

So... in the likely event that, at 8, the Chiefs cannot get Berry or Mays, who do you go for?

Also likely off the board by #8: Suh, Okung, and a couple QBs that we're not going to want anyway.

I ask because I really don't like our non-safety options in the Top 10.

Carlos Dunlap or Gerald McCoy for DE?

Reach for Terrance Cody?

Bruce Campbell for RT?

Joe Haden or Donovan Warren opposite Flowers?

Damien Williams or Dez Bryant opposite Bowe?

You'd have to guess Pioli would go defensive line, given these options. I'm guessing a reach for Cody or a more value-oriented pick for Dunlap or McCoy would be most likely.

Hard to say no to Bryant opposite Bowe, however.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-23-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

What does that have to do with anything? he was a 1st round pick

Are you advocating that we draft a guard with our likely top-10 pick?

**SAUTO** · 11-23-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Are you advocating that we draft a guard with our likely top-10 pick?

no. how did what i posted say that? the actual question is how many of those teams' linemen were 1st rounders and davis was a first rounder, right?

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-23-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

As i said, didn't say we had to DRAFT them, just said the data seems to support that having 2 or 3 high 2nd or 1st rounders pays obvious dividends (well duh.)

Well, based upon that criteria we're half way there.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-23-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

no. how did what i posted say that? the actual question is how many of those teams' linemen were 1st rounders and davis was a first rounder, right?

That's great. I'm merely pointing out that Leonard Davis is not a prime example for drafting an offensive lineman in the top 10.

**SAUTO** · 11-23-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

That's great. I'm merely pointing out that Leonard Davis is not a prime example for drafting an offensive lineman in the top 10.

i agree but he fits the "drafted in the first round" criteria

**AustinChief** · 11-23-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Well, based upon that criteria we're half way there.

I would have no problem drafting an OT in the 1st if we fall out of the top 10... but if we are in the top 10 and take a true playmaker then I definitely want to use or 2nd on a o-lineman UNLESS we swing someone like Mankins via free agency.

Perfect world for me would see us sign a Mankins type player then draft Berry, Mays, Graham or Hughes then take someone like Charlie Brown in the 2nd.

DrRyan · 11-23-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I would have no problem drafting an OT in the 1st if we fall out of the top 10... but if we are in the top 10 and take a true playmaker then I definitely want to use or 2nd on a o-lineman UNLESS we swing someone like Mankins via free agency.

Perfect world for me would see us sign a Mankins type player then draft Berry, Mays, Graham or Hughes then take someone like Charlie Brown in the 2nd.

Charlie Brown??? Do we have to take Lucy to keep pulling the football away from us as we are trying to kick?

DJ's left nut · 11-23-2009, 09:35 PM

Mays is starting to look a whole lot like Darnell Bing to me.

I'm sorry, but the kid cannot be that much of a difference maker if USC is getting slashed this bad against the run. They have arguably the worst run D in major college football and Mays is supposed to be a monster in run-support.

I'm off the Mays bandwagon. I wouldn't take him any higher than 20, IMO. He looks like nothing more than hype to me right now.

KCrockaholic · 11-23-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mays is starting to look a whole lot like Darnell Bing to me.

I'm sorry, but the kid cannot be that much of a difference maker if USC is getting slashed this bad against the run. They have arguably the worst run D in major college football and Mays is supposed to be a monster in run-support.

I'm off the Mays bandwagon. I wouldn't take him any higher than 20, IMO. He looks like nothing more than hype to me right now.

His tackling needs some work, but you can't ignore his raw physical tools.

DJ's left nut · 11-23-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

His tackling needs some work, but you can't ignore his raw physical tools.

But you can certainly take them with a grain of salt due to rumors of rampant PED use at USC.

Besides, I've had enough workout warriors. Eric Berry is a football player with incredible raw ability. Taylor Mays is a guy that looks great in shorts but seems to come up short on game days.

And like I said, I'm not saying he's a 3rd rounder, but he's not a guy I'd take in the top half of the first. So I'm giving him plenty of credit - there's no way a guy with his resume should land in the first round.

Yes, he's physically imposing...so was Tony Mandarich.

KCrockaholic · 11-23-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But you can certainly take them with a grain of salt due to rumors of rampant PED use at USC.

Besides, I've had enough workout warriors. Eric Berry is a football player with incredible raw ability. Taylor Mays is a guy that looks great in shorts but seems to come up short on game days.

And like I said, I'm not saying he's a 3rd rounder, but he's not a guy I'd take in the top half of the first. So I'm giving him plenty of credit - there's no way a guy with his resume should land in the first round.

Yes, he's physically imposing...so was Tony Mandarich.

I pretty much agree with you, I like Berry a lot more at this point, but I was just sayin you can't ignore what he has to work with. You also can't ignore the history of pro safeties from USC.

Chiefshrink · 11-23-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tyton75

we need Oline help.. if the safeties are off the board.. trade down for more picks and draft a buttload of O and D line help!

THIS! And then the playmaking will happen

KChiefs1 · 11-23-2009, 10:20 PM

I think Taylor Mays is projected in the 15-20 range.

KCrockaholic · 11-23-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I think Taylor Mays is projected in the 15-20 range.

Yep. We have a chance at him if we really want him...But just wait until after the workouts, he will skyrocket up the board into the top 8 or so.

Pablo · 11-24-2009, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

BLSUPA

(Best LSU player available)

I'm gonna start using that. Rep.

11-23-2009, 02:54 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	The Chiefs are now about 8th in draft order. What if the safeties are off the board? There are more than two teams who need safety ahead of us, and you know the Raiders are going to go for Mays. So... in the likely event that, at 8, the Chiefs cannot get Berry or Mays, who do you go for? Also likely off the board by #8: Suh, Okung, and a couple QBs that we're not going to want anyway. I ask because I really don't like our non-safety options in the Top 10. Carlos Dunlap or Gerald McCoy for DE? Reach for Terrance Cody? Bruce Campbell for RT? Joe Haden or Donovan Warren opposite Flowers? Damien Williams or Dez Bryant opposite Bowe? You'd have to guess Pioli would go defensive line, given these options. I'm guessing a reach for Cody or a more value-oriented pick for Dunlap or McCoy would be most likely. Hard to say no to Bryant opposite Bowe, however.
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