The myth of Pioli

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Let me help.

You think Haley is the right guy? After watching his progress with this team?
His play calling? The teams lack of progress? Seriously?

You think Cassel is the guy, after making us all pine for Thigpen or Huard?

Sometimes it is better to just cut bait, once you realize you have a stinkfish on the line.

Cut your losses and move on. I am still holding hope for Pioli, but right now if it were up to me, Cassel and Haley would both be moving on.

I know this thread is old news, but I left before i could answer this.

Haley, IS a leader. I can see it. I think that once we get over a hump, he will embrace them. Haven't you ever seen this before? You treat them like shit until they become what you knew they always could be, and then you let them know how proud you are of them.

Softy coaches, players coaches, like Hermie, and others, can not get the same thing out of player that a guy like Haley can.

When you ride guys like him, and expect nothing but perfection, they all think you are a total dick.

BUT

What they end up responding to, is how good they feel when they get the blessing, and praise from someone who seemingly cannot be pleased.
That praise and acknowledgement comes at a time when the players are feeling very high because they just accomplished something. Therefore, subconsciously the coaches happiness, and the feeling of achievement are linked. So When the coach is getting all over the players it makes them want to do better without them even knowing it.

psyche 101.


That said. The man needs 2 new coordinators BADLY. That will help the play calling.

Oh, and I never really said Cassel is the guy, but if he's not, he's the best backup in the league. We should bring someone in just in case, but i'm hoping he pans out. I think the amount of sacks he's taken over the last two seasons, may have screwed with his confidence. He looks like he got his card pulled. Maybe he'll get it back.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I know this thread is old news, but I left before i could answer this.

Haley, IS a leader. I can see it. I think that once we get over a hump, he will embrace them. Haven't you ever seen this before? You treat them like shit until they become what you knew they always could be, and then you let them know how proud you are of them.

Softy coaches, players coaches, like Hermie, and others, can not get the same thing out of player that a guy like Haley can.

When you ride guys like him, and expect nothing but perfection, they all think you are a total dick.

BUT

What they end up responding to, is how good they feel when they get the blessing, and praise from someone who seemingly cannot be pleased.
That praise and acknowledgement comes at a time when the players are feeling very high because they just accomplished something. Therefore, subconsciously the coaches happiness, and the feeling of achievement are linked. So When the coach is getting all over the players it makes them want to do better without them even knowing it.

psyche 101.


That said. The man needs 2 new coordinators BADLY. That will help the play calling.

Oh, and I never really said Cassel is the guy, but if he's not, he's the best backup in the league. We should bring someone in just in case, but i'm hoping he pans out, but I think the amount of sacks he's taken over the last two seasons, may have screwed with his confidence. He looks like he got his card pulled. Maybe he'll get it back.

I agree with what you are saying, except for a very important detail. It was said, by a CPer setting right behind the bench, that the players were disconnected. This is serious, when it comes to leadership.

They have probably been yelled at so much, it is falling on deaf ears. Several posters, Hamas being one of them, said this method would not work, if they didn't start getting some results. Well, they just got thrashed two weeks in a row.

The LEADER made two absolutely stupid calls in the game, back to back, to add to the problem.

You, as a player, go out and lay it all on the line the first half, and are down by one score. Ok, you get the ball to start the second half.
Then, to start the second half, he goes for it on 4th and 8, near his own 25? Then, to top that off, he refuses the penalty to get Denver out of field goal range?

As a player, you go WTF? We have no chance, and just disconnect from his tirades, or so it would seem. That is horrible leadership, you can not hold the players to a higher standard than you hold yourself.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I know this thread is old news, but I left before i could answer this.

Haley, IS a leader. I can see it. I think that once we get over a hump, he will embrace them. Haven't you ever seen this before? You treat them like shit until they become what you knew they always could be, and then you let them know how proud you are of them.

Softy coaches, players coaches, like Hermie, and others, can not get the same thing out of player that a guy like Haley can.

When you ride guys like him, and expect nothing but perfection, they all think you are a total dick.

BUT

What they end up responding to, is how good they feel when they get the blessing, and praise from someone who seemingly cannot be pleased.
That praise and acknowledgement comes at a time when the players are feeling very high because they just accomplished something. Therefore, subconsciously the coaches happiness, and the feeling of achievement are linked. So When the coach is getting all over the players it makes them want to do better without them even knowing it.

psyche 101.


That said. The man needs 2 new coordinators BADLY. That will help the play calling.

Oh, and I never really said Cassel is the guy, but if he's not, he's the best backup in the league. We should bring someone in just in case, but i'm hoping he pans out. I think the amount of sacks he's taken over the last two seasons, may have screwed with his confidence. He looks like he got his card pulled. Maybe he'll get it back.

Herm's problems were the Xs and Os not with motivation. For whatever reason his players always played their ass off for him, now they sucked ass but they did play hard.

Damn I hate defending Herm Edwards.

[B_Ambuehl]

The myth is Pioli as a talent evaluation god.

I don't think there's much doubt that myth has been destroyed around here but, you know, if there were still any doubts........

Looking back I have to put a lot of this on Clark. There was already more than enough evidence to prove Pioli sucked even in New England.