Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 19

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 02:25 AM

And 53% of the passes are completed thrown towards Carr. The QB's who've thrown to Carrs side have a 93 QB rating.

**Reaper16** · 01-04-2010, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

And 53% of the passes are completed thrown towards Carr. The QB's who've thrown to Carrs side have a 93 QB rating.

Brandon Flowers had 56.5% of passes thrown towards him completed. Even crazier -- the QB's who've thrown to the side of such a player as Nnamdi Asomugha had a 98 QB rating.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Brandon Flowers had 56.5% of passes thrown towards him completed. Even crazier -- the QB's who've thrown to the side of such a player as Nnamdi Asomugha had a 98 QB rating.

Sorry but I don't see how Carr is better than either of those players. On this list Tyrone Brackenridge is the 27th best CB which is bs. I would like to know how they figure passes thrown to a guys side. Do passes to the RB count when the CB is 10 yards away in zone coverage? I don't get it.

RustShack · 01-04-2010, 02:31 AM

I'm calling Bullshit. This is another WPI lie trying to rebuild their subscriptions.

**Reaper16** · 01-04-2010, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

Sorry but I don't see how Carr is better than either of those players. On this list Tyrone Brackenridge is the 27th best CB which is bs. I would like to know how they figure passes thrown to a guys side. Do passes to the RB count when the CB is 10 yards away in zone coverage? I don't get it.

Carr isn't better than those players according to those statistical rankings. he is better in the two categories that you specifically pointed out, though.

Good question about how they figure what passes are supposed to be thrown into a player's coverage. I'm pretty sure that the stats on that site don't give a complete picture of things, but its useful evidence nonetheless.

SPchief · 01-04-2010, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Except that the trade didn't happen.

And for the last ****ing time, it's entirely possible this news didn't leak until recently, considering JC's recent play.

Sweet, keep spinning

BryanBusby · 01-04-2010, 02:52 AM

The deal is done

Boris The Great · 01-04-2010, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If anyone other than Nick writes this, no one argues

And why do you think that is? Could it be because Nick has no credibility and is a proven fraud? Doesnt that make you stop and think for a moment?

I honestly cant figure out whats going on here. Are some of you so hungry to bash Pioli that you would believe bullshit from Nick, or are you actually too stupid to know when Nick is snowing you?

Trot out all the sources you want saying Chiefs players were on the trading block. Have you really not figured out that all that does is give a con artist like Nick carte blanche to MAKE SHIT UP? He can (and did) float whatever bullshit trade rumors he wants, because nobody can say he made it up when there are stories about everyone being available. And to the five people who still pay him, he sounds plugged in and connected.

Athan doesnt have sources in KC anymore, you seriously think he has connections from the Redskins? Good Christ, this is the same asshole who a few months ago was talking about the Broncos trading Brandon Marshall for BRODIE CROYLE. Up until the trade deadline, he was still going on and on about the Chiefs trading for Anquan Boldin. Just tonight said he doesnt think Mo Carthon will survive a supposed purge of the coaching staff. MO CARTHON. Haleys right hand. Athan doesnt have a clue.

This is the guy some of you are falling all over yourself to believe? Comparing him to Bernie Miklasz, for Gods sake?

The posters at WPI dont even believe this story.

googlegoogle · 01-04-2010, 03:09 AM

I don't blame Pioli. JC fumbled on every possession early on.

TigerPig · 01-04-2010, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by googlegoogle

I don't blame Pioli. JC fumbled on every possession early on.

Plus if he had everyone on the team minus Cassel on the block, it wasn't like he was singling him out. He may have tried to make an active trade with Washington, but it sounds like it could have been anyone.

That makes it a little better. Like if Washington had been interested in LJ or Chambers or Albert or Flowers he would have negotiated for a good enough trade. Its not like he misread his talent level, he just wanted to switch stuff up.

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Boris The Great

Nick has no credibility and is a proven fraud?

Actually, no one has ever proven a thing, besides the fact he he isn't a great speller.

01-04-2010, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Actually, no one has ever proven a thing, besides the fact he he isn't a great speller.

The only thing that has been proven is a readily apparent case of Stockholm Syndrome.

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

The only thing that has been proven is a readily apparent case of Stockholm Syndrome.

You're ridiculous. If I was being treated poorly I'd have left years ago.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-04-2010, 05:48 AM

A story like this might have some credibility if it came out around the time it was offered. It's 3 months later, and a whole lot of heresay, but it doesn't stop the anti-Piolites from forming a mass internet lynching simply based on the fact that the media said everyone was on the block at the time.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 05:49 AM

I think it's funny that you can pay $2.50 a month for ESPN Insider and get ESPN the Magazine delivered every month...but you have to pay $109.95 for WPI?

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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $850478	Chiefs tried to trade Charles http://kan.scout.com/2/934713.html With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon. Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver. If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season. With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season? It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style. Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month. The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round. Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft. Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed. Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down. The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early. Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason. Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season. This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.
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