Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 29

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

TheGuardian · 01-04-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Do you see me bitching about the outcome of the game? No.

Do you see me bitching about Jamaal Charles? No.

Do you see me bitching about Brandon Flowers, Derrick Johnson, or Glenn Dorsey? No.

I'm bitching about one thing, and one thing only: talent evaluation. There is no ****ing way that a sane person would think that LJ was the best back for this team, and the results of the entire season bear that out completely. And yet, these same people, who missed so horribly on evaluating our RBs, who call plays like the Castille pass, who give Matt Cassel $63 million before he has taken a snap for us are also the ones who are in charge of rebuilding this team from the ash heap.

Being happy with the results of yesterday (and I am) does not mean that you can't also look forward to the future. That's the entire point of a rebuild. I honestly can't believe that you cannot comprehend this.

But you can't even wait a week after the game to start this shit. that's the point. Why not just

about it now, let everyone enjoy the win instead of bitching? Why? Because you have such a hard on for Haley and Pioli. So no matter what happens, the first thing you do is look for SOMETHING to bitch about.

I get that you're saying that we put Charles behind Larry, but I've explained that already. LJ was a former 2 time pro bowl back making a lot of money. He's going to be given every chance. This is NOT unusual in the NFL, on ANY team. Period. So saying that the staff has terrible evaluation skills based on that alone is horseshit. So is the Cassel thing. The guy played outstanding in New England last year. This year he was in a new system, new players, a rotating WR corps who couldn't catch, a bad line, and for most of the season no running game. But I don't see you giving the guy the benefit of the doubt based on that. Nope. So you really don't have any "fair" "unbiased" analysis of all of this at all.

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When a team is as bereft as we are, you always need to have your eye towards the future. If we were in a Vermeil-esque, win now mode, I can see the point in putting blinders on, but we've got 11 picks in the draft and a free agency period coming up.

How do the moves of this regime, especially in light of what happened yesterday, inspire any confidence in the future?

I can name a few...............

Last year this team quit with a few games left to go in the season. I never saw this team quit. We walked into Denver yesterday like OUR playoff lives were on the line. Regardless of what you think, that is a CHANGE in attitude, and a big one. And the only way that happens is if a coach wins the players over. So regardless of what you or Mecca or any complainer here thinks of Haley, the guys are playing hard for him. And my guy on the roster says so too, so that outweighs anything you or anyone else here has to say about it anyway.

They eventually got the O-line thing worked out. Even if it took a few injuries, they got it worked out. Again, vets generally get the benefit of the doubt over rookies. I'm not even saying it's right, I'm saying it is what it is. You better look like some kind of all world bad ass if you are going to unseat a 8,9,10 year vet who has been starting most all of that time.

This team never quit, and to me that means the attitude of the team changed from last year in a positive way. I think the double amount of wins reflects that too. Haley could have won more than 4 easily with the dropped passes cut in half. Did he make some mistakes? Sure thing. But so did ****ing Bill Belichik and he's won 3 super bowls.

the point is, I've seen good and bad stuff but since both Pioli and Haley are new here, I am going to give them a chance to sink or swim before I start finding every little thing to bitch about. Esp when we just won in Denver for the first time in 9 years. Or I'll at least wait a ****ing week.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

hey i just read that thread...

what exactly did I not "knock out of the park"...?

Are you kidding?

I guessed Hali would have 10 sacks, he had 8.5...I guessed Larry would have 85 yards that game...I think he had around that many...I said Jared Allen could be just as good as DeMarcus Ware in a 3-4...and I still think that...

You're a ****ing moron man...plain and simple. Another know-it-all with an anti-Chiefs agenda that doesn't really know shit...

So, 8.5 is 10?

What the **** do they teach you ****ing kids at ISU?

Does Vegas pay out when you come close?

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Aw, what's wrong?

Did I hurt your feelings?

You have no problem dishing it out, usually invented in your own head, but you sure don't have the balls to take it.

I'll take it when I deserve it...

In all honesty...I haven't deserved it one bit this year...as just about everything I've said has been spot on...

Where are the Carson Palmer ballwashers now????

Have they finally figured out how overrated he is or is it going to take a 1st round loss in the playoffs to the 12th best team in the AFC?

Kyle Orton > Carson Palmer...

Or how about this...

The Bengals win 10 games with Kyle Orton at QB...that's all Carson Palmer was this year...a Kyle Orton QB for that team.

The Cowboys win 6 games, tops, with Carson Palmer as their QB...that's how much more important Tony Romo was to his team as opposed to Carson Palmer.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

Massaging the data to skim the fact that LJ hasn't done anything special in any of the last 3 seasons?

What is there to massage?

Dirk claims that Herm buried Charles as well, and that's flat-out bullshit.

Show me a 3rd round rookie that beats out a veteran back his rookie year - much less one that had back to back 1700 yard seasons ending just one year prior.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I'll take it when I deserve it...

In all honesty...I haven't deserved it one bit this year...as just about everything I've said has been spot on...

Where are the Carson Palmer ballwashers now????

Have they finally figured out how overrated he is or is it going to take a 1st round loss in the playoffs to the 12th best team in the AFC?

Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton > Carson Palmer...

Or how about this...

The Bengals win 10 games with Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton at QB...that's all Carson Palmer was this year...a Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton QB for that team.

The Cowboys win 6 games, tops, with Carson Palmer as their QB...that's how much more important Tony Romo was to his team as opposed to Carson Palmer.

You're a ****ing moron. This isn't fantasy football you dope how many times did Carson Palmer lead his team to victory in the 4th qtr?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

But you can't even wait a week after the game to start this shit. that's the point. Why not just

about it now, let everyone enjoy the win instead of bitching? Why? Because you have such a hard on for Haley and Pioli. So no matter what happens, the first thing you do is look for SOMETHING to bitch about.

I get that you're saying that we put Charles behind Larry, but I've explained that already. LJ was a former 2 time pro bowl back making a lot of money. He's going to be given every chance. This is NOT unusual in the NFL, on ANY team. Period. So saying that the staff has terrible evaluation skills based on that alone is horseshit. So is the Cassel thing. The guy played outstanding in New England last year. This year he was in a new system, new players, a rotating WR corps who couldn't catch, a bad line, and for most of the season no running game. But I don't see you giving the guy the benefit of the doubt based on that. Nope. So you really don't have any "fair" "unbiased" analysis of all of this at all.

I can name a few...............

Last year this team quit with a few games left to go in the season. I never saw this team quit. We walked into Denver yesterday like OUR playoff lives were on the line. Regardless of what you think, that is a CHANGE in attitude, and a big one. And the only way that happens is if a coach wins the players over. So regardless of what you or Mecca or any complainer here thinks of Haley, the guys are playing hard for him. And my guy on the roster says so too, so that outweighs anything you or anyone else here has to say about it anyway.

They eventually got the O-line thing worked out. Even if it took a few injuries, they got it worked out. Again, vets generally get the benefit of the doubt over rookies. I'm not even saying it's right, I'm saying it is what it is. You better look like some kind of all world bad ass if you are going to unseat a 8,9,10 year vet who has been starting most all of that time.

This team never quit, and to me that means the attitude of the team changed from last year in a positive way. I think the double amount of wins reflects that too. Haley could have won more than 4 easily with the dropped passes cut in half. Did he make some mistakes? Sure thing. But so did ****ing Bill Belichik and he's won 3 super bowls.

the point is, I've seen good and bad stuff but since both Pioli and Haley are new here, I am going to give them a chance to sink or swim before I start finding every little thing to bitch about. Esp when we just won in Denver for the first time in 9 years. Or I'll at least wait a ****ing week.

So essentially, LJ and the OL got the chance at the beginning of the season because they are established vets.

And Haley and Pioli were brought in to what?

Change the diapers?
Change the tampons?
Change the culture?

What change does that evoke?

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So, 8.5 is 10?

What the **** do they teach you ****ing kids at ISU?

Does Vegas pay out when you come close?

Hahahahahaha...

Really? That's what I didn't "knock out of the park"?

That I said I bet he ends up with 10 sacks and he only gets 8.5?

Oh darn...I'm such a moron.

Coming from the guy who took a shit all over the gamethread yesterday...waiting for Cassel to make more mistakes so you could go on more rants against Haley/Pioli...coming from the guy who is now taking a story ONLY produced by Nick Athan and treating it as if it's gospel because earlier this season everyone but Cassel and Flowers were on the block...

That's why I like the Talking Can. We used to go back and forth like no one's business back during the Green/Huard debacle...but he truly calls them how he sees them instead of having hatred cloud up every ounce of his judgment...

I went from thinking he was a total asshole dipshit to at least respecting the hell out of his posts because I can tell he calls them exactly how he sees them without any sort of agenda or bias towards wanting a pat on the back for being right...

Kinda like you and Hamas for all those "MOTHER **** YOU SCOTT PIOLI!" threads...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I'll take it when I deserve it...

In all honesty...I haven't deserved it one bit this year...as just about everything I've said has been spot on...

Where are the Carson Palmer ballwashers now????

Have they finally figured out how overrated he is or is it going to take a 1st round loss in the playoffs to the 12th best team in the AFC?

Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton > Carson Palmer...

Or how about this...

The Bengals win 10 games with Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton at QB...that's all Carson Palmer was this year...a Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton QB for that team.

The Cowboys win 6 games, tops, with Carson Palmer as their QB...that's how much more important Tony Romo was to his team as opposed to Carson Palmer.

So, no facts, just guessing.

And when did the league let the 12th best team play in the playoffs?

I could have swore it was top 6 in each conference, based on record.

Damn, the facts get in the way, again.

LaChapelle · 01-04-2010, 01:18 PM

Kolby was suppose to replace LJ when he got off PUP
Kolby went down again and Jamaal was born

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:18 PM

Hootie (from yesterday): "I always supported Tyler Thigpen"

Hootie (from last year): "I'd rather have Todd Reesing over Tyler Thigpen".

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

You're a ****ing moron. This isn't fantasy football you dope how many times did Carson Palmer lead his team to victory in the 4th qtr?

For all of those awesome last minute drives (3 or 4 of them, those are definitely his defining moments, I agree)...it took those 3 horrible to mediocre quarters of QB play to force such drives in the first place...

I'm sorry...3 quarters of mediocre QB play (at best) where your offensive line/running game and defense keeps you in games doesn't tell me anything more than how much you play the QB position like Kyle Orton...

Palmer is nothing more than a game manager...he's NOT a franchise QB...even if he did go #1 overall once upon a time.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Hahahahahaha...

Really? That's what I didn't "knock out of the park"?

That I said I bet he ends up with 10 sacks and he only gets 8.5?

Oh darn...I'm such a moron.

Coming from the guy who took a shit all over the gamethread yesterday...waiting for Cassel to make more mistakes so you could go on more rants against Haley/Pioli...coming from the guy who is now taking a story ONLY produced by Nick "Assclown" Athan and treating it as if it's gospel because earlier this season everyone but Cassel and Flowers were on the block...

That's why I like the Talking Can. We used to go back and forth like no one's business back during the Green/Huard debacle...but he truly calls them how he sees them instead of having hatred cloud up every ounce of his judgment...

I went from thinking he was a total asshole dipshit to at least respecting the hell out of his posts because I can tell he calls them exactly how he sees them without any sort of agenda or bias towards wanting a pat on the back for being right...

Kinda like you and Hamas for all those "MOTHER **** YOU SCOTT PIOLI!" threads...

TTC as your idol explains everything.

That guy is the biggest phony on the ****ing board.

He was Hamas before Hamas was Hamas - berating people that didn't want a QB, posting a true fan manifesto, going on a ****ing rampage.

Pioli was hired, and everything changed.

Give me a ****ing break.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hootie (from yesterday): "I always supported Tyler Thigpen"

Hootie (from last year): "I'd rather have Todd Reesing over Tyler Thigpen".

Oh I challenge you to find that quote.

I was one of his biggest supporters...I said he reminded me of Tony Romo...

I went so far as to say I'd rather have Tyler Thigpen as opposed to Carson Palmer...but that's mainly because I wanted to point out how overrated Carson Palmer was...

I still think with a little seasoning Thigpen could have ended up like Romo.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-04-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

For the record, Frank, I'm not mad.

I'm damn glad it didn't happen.

However, considering the other evidence, and the fact that we've seen first hand that the so-called Executive of the Decade has made some dumb ****ing decisions thus far, I don't see it being out of the realm of possibility.

That's it.

This entire discussion has much more to do with Nick "Assclown" Athan than it does with the actual topic.

There is nothing that Athan will ever say that I will consider to be a possibility.

I like you a lot on this board, but you putting "exectutive of the decade" in every post referencing Pioli reminds me of Reerun's Herm hatred.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:22 PM

Revisionist Hootie:

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Originally Posted by Hootie

That USC offense had to be better than the Chiefs current offense. As of now, we have LJ/Tony Gonzalez/Bowe and Waters...everyone else is a 'never was' with little coaching as well.

And Leinart is so much better than Thigpen it is sickening. I think the Chiefs would be better from here on out with Todd friggin' Reesing at QB over Tyler Thigpen.

OUT OF THE PARK!!

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Originally Posted by Hootie

yeah and it's the same people who absolutely crushed the guy all last year...

I always thought he was a baller with room to grow but whatever...can't look back now...always thought he could end up being a Romo clone

01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $850478	Chiefs tried to trade Charles http://kan.scout.com/2/934713.html With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon. Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver. If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season. With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season? It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style. Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month. The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round. Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft. Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed. Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down. The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early. Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason. Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season. This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.
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