Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 31

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:38 PM

FWIW, the funniest thing about this (that will be overlooked) is OUT OF THE PARK Hootie claiming that the 2005 USC Trojans had a better offense than the 2008 Chiefs.

**Donger** · 01-04-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You might want to read the thread you are posting in right now, and see the links I've put up. I bitched that very day about Charles being inactive.

Get this checked:

Okay, you were being sarcastic. That's fine.

But, it seems that you underestimated Charles' talent when he was drafted, yes? Is it not clear now (and after the last few games) that he is much more than a "third down back"?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

Yeah

You ****ing moron!

Thigpen's next start wasn't until October 26, 2008!

Dumb****!

Huard got the next two starts before the BYE.

Yeah...

BET IT IS AROUND THE SAME WEEK AS THE FALCONS GAME LAST YEAR...

Are you schizoid? Do you even have an idea how badly you are being owned right now?

This is basically the Internet version of Amistad.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

FWIW, the funniest thing about this (that will be overlooked) is OUT OF THE PARK Hootie claiming that the 2005 USC Trojans had a better offense than the 2008 Chiefs.

another one of those TIC comments trying to paint how abysmal our offense really was (until Gailey turned it into gimmick city and Thigpen started to turn our offense into something slightly respectable)...

All of these posts you are cherrypicking came in 2008 after we were shut out @ Carolina 0-34 and then crushed by Tenn. after the buy 10-34 @ Arrowhead...

God forbid I say..."wow, USC even has a better offense than us!"

That's so hilarious!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger

Okay, you were being sarcastic. That's fine.

But, it seems that you underestimated Charles' talent when he was drafted, yes? Is it not clear now (and after the last few games) that he is much more than a "third down back"?

He's definitely much more than a third down back, pass receiving specialist, KR, etc. But even though I underestimated what he's capable of (never claimed I didn't), I also didn't champion LJ starting over him nor am I in charge of the rebuild of this franchise.

Let's see, a player that I liked and was glad we drafted turned out to be even better than I thought he'd be. Yup, I'm the one who made the mistake in talent evaluation, not the guys who were benching him for Savage, Battle, and Johnson and wouldn't let him sniff the field save for injury and suspension.

We'll also let the latter be in charge of bringing in players to make this team a champion and expect it will go well.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah...

BET IT IS AROUND THE SAME WEEK AS THE FALCONS GAME LAST YEAR...

Are you schizoid? Do you even have an idea how badly you are being owned right now?

This is basically the Internet version of Amistad.

I'm being owned right now?

How good is your ****ing memory idiot?

Thigpen put on the worst display I've ever seen in my life against Atlanta last year...it was god awful...LJ put together a good 2nd half to make the game at least watchable...but Thigpen was about as bad as anything I had ever seen...and EVERYONE on this website was in agreement about that.

Then...he didn't play for a full month after that game...

You posted something I said about Thigpen...I didn't remember saying it and when you posted the post I said I GUARANTEE it was around the same time as he played that Falcons game...

Oh my GOD I was a month off and referring to his play UP UNTIL and THROUGH that Falcons game.

Like much of the fan base...after the Jets/TB/SD games...I started to think "wow, that 7th round pick who is raw as hell might actually have some potential!"...and then I went on to make several posts weeks later...months later...about how I thought he had the ability to be the same type of QB as Tony Romo...

but you won't dig up those posts because they don't prove a point for you...

The funny thing is...

If anyone is owning anyone with that timestamp...it's you owning yourself for not realizing Huard played the next 3 games...

Dumb****.

**Donger** · 01-04-2010, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yup, I'm the one who made the mistake in talent evaluation

Thanks.

**dirk digler** · 01-04-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

What is there to massage?

Dirk claims that Herm buried Charles as well, and that's flat-out bullshit.

Show me a 3rd round rookie that beats out a veteran back his rookie year - much less one that had back to back 1700 yard seasons ending just one year prior.

It is not BS if you look at the facts. He was the 3rd string RB all year IIRC. LJ missed 3 games during the middle of the season and in 2 of those games he got a grand total of 7 carries. He finally got a chance in the 3rd game, he had 18 carries and 106 yards and then fumbled the ball in the 4th quarter which lead the Bucs to a come back win in OT. He went back on the bench and stayed there the rest of the year.

Now what is BS again?

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:46 PM

Hamas...

that timestamp shit was hilarious...

Once I looked at the schedule last year and realized the start I was referring to was STILL the Atlanta one...I laughed out loud because you tried your hardest to do some research to prove me wrong and all you did was make yourself look like an idiot...

Awesome

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

another one of those TIC comments trying to paint how abysmal our offense really was (until Gailey turned it into gimmick city and Thigpen started to turn our offense into something slightly respectable)...

All of these posts you are cherrypicking came in 2008 after we were shut out @ Carolina 0-34 and then crushed by Tenn. after the buy 10-34 @ Arrowhead...

God forbid I say..."wow, USC even has a better offense than us!"

That's so hilarious!

You mean when you started an entire thread wondering if we could beat Texas

**DeezNutz** · 01-04-2010, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

I'm being owned right now?

How good is your ****ing memory idiot?

Thigpen put on the worst display I've ever seen in my life against Atlanta last year...it was god awful...LJ put together a good 2nd half to make the game at least watchable...but Thigpen was about as bad as anything I had ever seen...and EVERYONE on this website was in agreement about that.

Then...he didn't play for a full month after that game...

You posted something I said about Thigpen...I didn't remember saying it and when you posted the post I said I GUARANTEE it was around the same time as he played that Falcons game...

Oh my GOD I was a month off and referring to his play UP UNTIL and THROUGH that Falcons game.

Like much of the fan base...after the Jets/TB/SD games...I started to think "wow, that 7th round pick who is raw as hell might actually have some potential!"...and then I went on to make several posts weeks later...months later...about how I thought he had the ability to be the same type of QB as Tony Romo...

but you won't dig up those posts because they don't prove a point for you...

The funny thing is...

If anyone is owning anyone with that timestamp...it's you owning yourself for not realizing Huard played the next 3 games...

Dumb****.

23.8 > 14.6

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

It is not BS if you look at the facts. He was the 3rd string RB all year IIRC. LJ missed 3 games during the middle of the season and in 2 of those games he got a grand total of 7 carries. He finally got a chance in the 3rd game, he had 18 carries and 106 yards and then fumbled the ball in the 4th quarter which lead the Bucs to a come back win in OT. He went back on the bench and stayed there the rest of the year.

Now what is BS again?

Jesus Christ, Dirk.

He was a ****ing 3rd round rookie. And came out as a Junior. He's not going to play his rookie year over a 2X 1700 yard back and a guy they just drafted the year before who they'd like to see play. What is so hard to understand about that?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger

Thanks.

Your pathetic attempts at sophistry just don't translate here. Sorry.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You mean when you started an entire thread wondering if we could beat Texas

You don't take joke threads very well, do you?

We were coming off of back to back defeats of 0-34, 10-34...and had lost Croyle and Huard to injury...and we were turning back to Tyler Thigpen at QB...who was coming off of a start against Atlanta where he looked like a 2nd string high school QB, at best...

Why don't you go find the posts where you called Tony Romo one of the worst QB's in the NFL from this year...

That could be fun.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

23.8 > 14.6

Oh, he was just being TIC.

He didn't REALLY mean it.

It was just a joke.

(only because he was wrong)

01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $840478	Chiefs tried to trade Charles http://kan.scout.com/2/934713.html With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon. Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver. If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season. With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season? It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style. Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month. The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round. Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft. Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed. Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down. The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early. Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason. Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season. This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7149572	FWIW, the funniest thing about this (that will be overlooked) is OUT OF THE PARK Hootie claiming that the 2005 USC Trojans had a better offense than the 2008 Chiefs. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Hamas... that timestamp shit was hilarious... Once I looked at the schedule last year and realized the start I was referring to was STILL the Atlanta one...I laughed out loud because you tried your hardest to do some research to prove me wrong and all you did was make yourself look like an idiot... Awesome
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