Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 35

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:36 PM

oh and Eli is probably right with, or slightly below that final tier.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Well if you don't want to acknowledge that Brady was considered by 90% of anyone with an opinion to be better than Manning just two years ago then I guess that's your prerogative...

Just know where I always stood (on the right side of the fence)...I doubt you were there...I'm sure you jumped that fence sometime this year like everyone else...

Who gives a shit who's better?

Both are sure-fire, stone cold lock 1st ballot HOF'ers.

You're arguing whether $100 in 20's is better than a $100 bill.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Dude that's not fair on Neil Lomax..

Roy Green? Pat Tilley? JT Smith?

Terrell Owens... Terry Glenn... Jason Witten... Ro Williams... Miles Austin...

With CRAP Lomax still put up a 4600 yard season in 1984.

Romo has yet to do that with a freaking all star lineup around him.

Damn, Kyle breaking out the old STL Cardinals history.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:38 PM

and yes, Carson Palmer and Matt Cassel are both in the same tier as Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler...except Cutler probably has the Romo tier potential at least.

Palmer is done. That guy is never going to be the franchise everyone thought he was going to be.

**RNR** · 01-04-2010, 02:38 PM

Hootie you are getting kicked around like a soccer ball in this thread~

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Who gives a shit who's better?

Both are sure-fire, stone cold lock 1st ballot HOF'ers.

You're arguing whether $100 in 20's is better than a $100 bill.

no there is a big difference...

Peyton would have been 1st ballot on the Chiefs/Colts/Bengals/Texans/Cowboys/any NFL team...

Tom Brady stumbled into the perfect situation...you know...the same team that Matt Cassel led to 11-5 last year...

Jim Sorgi wins 2 games with the Colts last year if Manning blows out his knee week 1 like Brady...instead he wins 12 games with a team that was so inferior I don't even know where to begin...that team was an abortion because of injuries for the first half of last season and they played with a WR that was more washed up than any guy I can ever remember that used to be a star...

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

Hootie you are getting kicked around like a soccer ball in this thread~

care to elaborate? Or are you just playing buddy/buddy with the populars? I'll assume the latter...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 02:53 PM

One last comment before I leave this beatdown...

Hootie, you're damn good at picking games, and do have decent football smarts at times, but the people that give you a hard time do so because you make shit up to try to prove a point.

If you'd stick to the facts, instead of making shit up to give yourself an opportunity to use "draftubaters" in a post, and take shots at Hamas, Dane, Mecca, etc - this place would be better for it.

Example:

You saying I pissed all over the game thread.

Again, I called it as I saw it. Which means there was some pissing. And it was deserved. But I was right there rooting for the win, and giving praise to the players that deserved it.

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That's not a drop, that's a great play by Flowers.

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Good play there, Carr.

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DJ!

NO FLAGS!

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JAMAAL CHARLES, YOU ARE RIDICULOUS!

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This is the most I've enjoyed a Chiefs game in at least three years.

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Thanksgiving, 2006 for me.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

no there is a big difference...

Peyton would have been 1st ballot on the Chiefs/Colts/Bengals/Texans/Cowboys/any NFL team...

Tom Brady stumbled into the perfect situation...you know...the same team that Matt Cassel led to 11-5 last year...

Jim Sorgi wins 2 games with the Colts last year if Manning blows out his knee week 1 like Brady...instead he wins 12 games with a team that was so inferior I don't even know where to begin...that team was an abortion because of injuries for the first half of last season and they played with a WR that was more washed up than any guy I can ever remember that used to be a star...

So, there's a huge difference, but only because you say so.

You have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claim. It's nothing but opinion.

You have no idea how Manning's career would have turn out had he been drafted elsewhere, you just like to claim he'd still he a lock HOF, and that Brady's career has been nothing but luck because it suits your argument.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:59 PM

well...

Like I said...I read the entire game thread from page 1-30 last night and I felt as if you were not really enjoying the game...just trying to blast Haley/Cassel whenever the opportunity arose...

can I ask you what happens if Castille completes a beautiful TD pass to Cassel?

What about that 3rd and 7 draw play to Charles where he busted a 52 yard run? If they stop him short of the chains...then it becomes a terrrrrrrible playcall according to most.

No one is every going to call the "perfect" game...but I think Haley has potential to be a solid head coach...

I said from day 1 that I was going to keep an open mind all season long and at least give the new regime a year before I started getting antsy/critical...

We'll see what happens in 2010...but as for 2009...perfect way/perfect game to end an overall shitty/unsatisfactory season.

At least it gives me a hint of optimism.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So, there's a huge difference, but only because you say so.

You have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claim. It's nothing but opinion.

You have no idea how Manning's career would have turn out had he been drafted elsewhere, you just like to claim he'd still he a lock HOF, and that Brady's career has been nothing but luck because it suits your argument.

and no one knows that the Bulls would have won titles both years Jordan played baseball and could have easily won 9 titles in a row but everyone pretty much assumes that, don't they?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

well...

Like I said...I read the entire game thread from page 1-30 last night and I felt as if you were not really enjoying the game...just trying to blast Haley/Cassel whenever the opportunity arose...

can I ask you what happens if Castille completes a beautiful TD pass to Cassel?

What about that 3rd and 7 draw play to Charles where he busted a 52 yard run? If they stop him short of the chains...then it becomes a terrrrrrrible playcall according to most.

No one is every going to call the "perfect" game...but I think Haley has potential to be a solid head coach...

I said from day 1 that I was going to keep an open mind all season long and at least give the new regime a year before I started getting antsy/critical...

We'll see what happens in 2010...but as for 2009...perfect way/perfect game to end an overall shitty/unsatisfactory season.

At least it gives me a hint of optimism.

Dude, you know as well as I do that even if that pass is completed, it's a bone-headed call. A FB throwing to a QB? When you have the lead, on the road? In their territory? And you have all the momentum?

It was stupid, and kudos to Haley for saying it was a stupid call. Hopefully he learns from shit like that, and fake punts on 4th and 8 from your own 28 - throwing to your long snapper.

And personally, I think "giving them time" is a cop-out.

Funny how this place almost universally said that Pioli and new coaching along would get them close to .500

How people said, "Atlanta and Miami. Why not us?"

Then backed off and made excuse when it was obvious it wasn't going to happen, and had the gall to blame the old regime for being in that spot - instead of pointing the finger at the guy who brought in 45 stopgaps and no playmakers.

I think had Pioli done something, anything to get excited about, more people would be inclined to believe in this bullshit about it being a "process."

By ****ing up the 2009 offseason, he's extended that process - and it didn't have to be that way.

Yesterday was as fun a game as I've watched in years. And you haven't heard a peep from me about the change in draft position. I enjoyed the hell out of yesterday.

That win does not, however, excuse the shortcomings of the previous 11 months. Huge mistakes were made, and it's going to take an offseason of a lifetime to fix them.

I hope he can do it, but nothing he's shown me makes me think he can.

I hope I'm wrong.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 03:13 PM

hey you can write them off all you want...

My personal stance all along was to not judge too harshly, if at all, this season.

And that's where I still stand.

Looking forward to this offseason and looking forward to taking Jamaal Charles with my 1st pick in every league next season.

**tyler360** · 01-04-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I'm sorry...

Someone please tell me how Roy Williams/Miles Austin and Jason Witten looked before the season started?

We're not going to give Romo ANY credit for the emergence of Miles Austin?

Haha.

I am not going to get in on this on going debate except to say that I credit Mike Brown with the emergence of Miles Austin.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

hey you can write them off all you want...

My personal stance all along was to not judge too harshly, if at all, this season.

And that's where I still stand.

Looking forward to this offseason and looking forward to taking Jamaal Charles with my 1st pick in every league next season.

I'm not writing them off. They just haven't given me any reason to think he can pull off the offseason needed to get this thing back on track.

Question:

IYO, what has Pioli done to give you hope he knocks this offseason out of the park?

01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $850478	Chiefs tried to trade Charles http://kan.scout.com/2/934713.html With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon. Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver. If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season. With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season? It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style. Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month. The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round. Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft. Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed. Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down. The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early. Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason. Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season. This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and yes, Carson Palmer and Matt Cassel are both in the same tier as Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler...except Cutler probably has the Romo tier potential at least. Palmer is done. That guy is never going to be the franchise everyone thought he was going to be.
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01-04-2010, 02:59 PM	#520
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	well... Like I said...I read the entire game thread from page 1-30 last night and I felt as if you were not really enjoying the game...just trying to blast Haley/Cassel whenever the opportunity arose... can I ask you what happens if Castille completes a beautiful TD pass to Cassel? What about that 3rd and 7 draw play to Charles where he busted a 52 yard run? If they stop him short of the chains...then it becomes a terrrrrrrible playcall according to most. No one is every going to call the "perfect" game...but I think Haley has potential to be a solid head coach... I said from day 1 that I was going to keep an open mind all season long and at least give the new regime a year before I started getting antsy/critical... We'll see what happens in 2010...but as for 2009...perfect way/perfect game to end an overall shitty/unsatisfactory season. At least it gives me a hint of optimism.
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01-04-2010, 03:13 PM	#523
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	hey you can write them off all you want... My personal stance all along was to not judge too harshly, if at all, this season. And that's where I still stand. Looking forward to this offseason and looking forward to taking Jamaal Charles with my 1st pick in every league next season.
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