Football Outsiders Ranks Matt Cassel 44th of 46 QBs

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Giving him a ranking of 463 yards below replacement level.

QBs who finished behind Cassel: Stafford and Russell.

QBs who finished ahead of Cassel: Everyone else in the NFL who threw more than 100 passes.

On a positive note, he was 38/46 on a per play basis, narrowly edging out Josh Freeman.


On another positive note, Brodie Croyle would have finished 25 had he accumulated enough attempts.

Top 5 QBs (In order)

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Rivers
4. Brees
5. Favre

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

Outplayed Cassel? Based on these rankings? You're comparing a guy who played in 4 games and had 119 pass attempts to a guy who played 15 games and attempted 493 passes. The dude also threw 3 TD's and 9 INT's in those games and had a QB rating 20 points below Cassel, so I would hardly call that outplaying...

Holy shit, what a moron.

[KCDC]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Proof that you cant take a kid that only started 15 games through his whole college and pro career, combined, and drop him off on a 2-14 team devoid of talent and then proceed to deprive him of a qb coach and OC that is required for a young qb to learn and progress, right before the season starts, and then installing a new offense days before the season starts and expect him to succeed in that scenario. Or even be average.

I and many others expected a below average year from him, just not this bad.

Im willing to bet that he makes a pronounced jump up in these rankings by this time next year after some of these gaping weaknesses are fixed and he progresses as qbs with his work ethic do.

This

['Hamas' Jenkins]

2001

Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
K.Warner	STL	1,667	1	1,630	1	33.1%	1	32.1%	590	4,706	5,305	36	6	4	22	69.3%
R.Gannon	OAK	1,052	2	1,248	2	16.4%	3	21.6%	576	3,685	4,506	27	4	6	8	66.7%
S.McNair	TEN	1,006	3	884	5	22.4%	2	18.3%	478	3,305	3,789	21	2	2	12	61.6%
J.Garcia	SF	922	4	965	3	13.9%	4	15.1%	540	3,526	4,221	32	5	2	12	62.9%
B.Favre	GB	833	5	925	4	12.1%	5	14.7%	553	3,939	4,014	32	10	6	15	61.7%
P.Manning	IND	829	6	677	6	11.1%	7	7.0%	577	3,954	4,124	26	4	2	23	63.5%
J.Plummer	ARI	581	7	558	8	5.9%	10	5.2%	566	3,621	3,543	18	3	3	13	58.2%
J.Fiedler	MIA	519	8	546	9	6.3%	9	7.3%	477	3,149	3,104	20	0	3	18	60.9%
A.Van Pelt	BUF	463	9	334	13	11.6%	6	5.3%	322	2,032	2,269	12	3	1	10	59.0%
K.Stewart	PIT	451	10	564	7	4.4%	11	8.3%	475	2,971	2,949	14	4	2	11	60.8%
D.Flutie	SD	397	11	394	11	0.4%	14	0.3%	551	3,313	3,301	15	3	1	17	57.0%
T.Brady	NE	371	12	379	12	1.4%	12	1.6%	464	2,823	2,896	18	9	3	11	64.1%
B.Johnson	TB	363	13	489	10	-1.7%	16	1.6%	609	3,260	3,583	13	2	2	11	61.3%
D.Culpepper	MIN	312	14	163	18	0.9%	13	-4.9%	411	2,529	2,515	14	9	6	13	64.7%
Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
M.Brunell	JAC	284	15	308	14	-2.7%	18	-2.0%	536	3,020	3,093	19	5	3	12	61.6%
C.Chandler	ATL	223	16	270	15	-2.3%	17	-0.4%	415	2,700	2,324	16	6	1	12	61.6%
K.Collins	NYG	186	17	133	21	-6.4%	19	-7.8%	615	3,553	3,422	19	15	5	16	57.7%
T.Dilfer	SEA	151	18	174	17	6.4%	8	9.1%	136	1,005	897	7	3	0	4	59.8%
D.McNabb	PHI	120	19	227	16	-7.6%	22	-4.4%	536	3,033	2,886	25	5	3	11	58.1%
J.Miller	CHI	114	20	160	19	-6.8%	20	-5.1%	415	2,301	2,277	13	4	2	10	58.1%
B.Griese	DEN	105	21	90	22	-7.8%	23	-8.3%	495	2,711	2,667	23	6	0	18	61.4%
C.Batch	DET	90	22	157	20	-7.4%	21	-4.7%	379	2,346	2,078	12	2	3	11	59.1%
A.Brooks	NO	81	23	70	24	-9.0%	24	-9.3%	616	3,607	3,187	26	9	2	20	56.6%
R.Cunningham	BAL	64	24	23	26	-0.9%	15	-7.5%	104	511	588	3	4	0	2	62.1%
T.Green	KC	32	25	74	23	-10.3%	25	-9.1%	570	3,730	2,983	17	6	4	23	57.1%

['Hamas' Jenkins]

S.Matthews	CHI	0	26	-88	30	-11.1%	26	-21.0%	136	660	713	5	2	2	6	65.6%
V.Testaverde	NYJ	-16	27	34	25	-11.7%	27	-10.0%	468	2,639	2,454	15	9	1	14	59.4%
T.Detmer	DET	-52	28	-136	32	-16.2%	30	-24.4%	164	870	757	3	2	1	9	61.7%
Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
E.Grbac	BAL	-60	29	-22	27	-13.0%	28	-11.8%	495	2,965	2,558	15	4	4	18	58.0%
Q.Carter	DAL	-76	30	-44	28	-17.8%	32	-15.0%	189	1,038	808	5	3	1	6	52.0%
M.McMahon	DET	-101	31	-131	31	-23.8%	34	-27.3%	138	583	526	3	0	3	1	45.6%
A.Wright	DAL	-112	32	-161	33	-28.6%	36	-36.1%	107	560	366	5	1	2	5	50.0%
T.Banks	WAS	-136	33	-75	29	-16.5%	31	-14.1%	406	2,244	1,843	10	6	3	9	54.2%
J.Kitna	CIN	-138	34	-203	34	-14.8%	29	-16.5%	613	3,157	2,838	12	7	2	21	54.2%
M.Vick	ATL	-200	35	-279	37	-34.7%	39	-44.0%	137	691	415	2	1	4	3	44.2%
R.Leaf	DAL	-209	36	-205	35	-46.8%	40	-46.2%	103	444	189	1	2	2	3	51.7%
M.Hasselbeck	SEA	-229	37	-301	38	-21.1%	33	-24.2%	364	1,795	1,543	7	3	2	8	55.2%
R.Johnson	BUF	-271	38	-228	36	-29.1%	37	-26.2%	243	1,249	840	5	2	4	7	63.3%
S.Wynn	MIN	-374	39	-390	39	-67.8%	41	-70.3%	108	338	23	1	1	2	5	50.0%
T.Couch	CLE	-525	40	-440	40	-28.0%	35	-25.3%	514	2,741	1,794	17	4	3	21	60.0%
C.Weinke	CAR	-665	41	-616	41	-29.2%	38	-27.9%	577	2,854	2,054	11	7	3	19	54.7%

['Hamas' Jenkins]

What's that? Oh, Trent Green in his god awful 2001....played above replacement level, ranking 25th/41 QBs.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Trent Green, 2001: Above replacement level.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The 1996 Chiefs who missed the playoffs in Bono's last year:

PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 47 players ranked

Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
B.Favre	GB	967	1	894	1	14.7%	4	12.8%	588	3,703	4,328	39	6	3	13	60.0%
V.Testaverde	BAL	967	2	835	3	13.9%	7	10.5%	590	3,941	4,420	33	2	7	19	59.3%
D.Marino	MIA	844	3	837	2	22.7%	2	22.5%	403	2,814	3,154	18	1	2	9	59.6%
G.Frerotte	WAS	770	4	712	8	13.9%	6	12.1%	503	3,400	3,520	12	7	2	11	57.6%
S.Young	SF	741	5	651	10	21.4%	3	17.5%	355	2,274	2,841	14	1	2	6	68.2%
T.Aikman	DAL	729	6	743	7	12.5%	8	12.9%	488	3,165	3,478	12	0	4	14	64.2%
J.Elway	DEN	694	7	823	4	10.6%	9	14.7%	498	3,170	3,513	26	2	4	14	61.7%
M.Brunell	JAC	637	8	773	6	5.0%	14	8.4%	618	4,236	4,072	19	8	3	19	63.7%
D.Bledsoe	NE	637	9	809	5	3.7%	17	7.7%	669	4,075	4,315	27	5	3	15	60.1%
K.Collins	CAR	618	10	664	9	14.2%	5	16.0%	391	2,511	2,803	14	1	3	7	56.2%
T.Detmer	PHI	504	11	501	13	7.5%	12	7.3%	433	2,753	2,867	15	2	4	13	59.8%
D.Krieg	CHI	479	12	329	15	7.2%	13	1.5%	399	2,222	2,755	14	3	2	12	60.2%
B.Johnson	MIN	431	13	525	12	8.7%	11	13.1%	332	2,186	2,332	17	3	1	9	62.9%
S.Humphries	SD	368	14	274	18	2.6%	18	-0.9%	439	2,556	2,655	18	5	1	13	56.3%
J.Blake	CIN	351	15	568	11	-2.0%	23	3.7%	607	3,426	3,568	24	3	4	13	56.6%
P.Justin	IND	347	16	303	17	31.9%	1	26.4%	135	820	1,123	2	0	0	0	58.3%
Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
J.Hostetler	OAK	344	17	408	14	0.9%	19	3.1%	441	2,484	2,776	23	2	0	13	60.5%
B.Esiason	ARI	341	18	204	20	3.8%	16	-2.2%	361	2,298	2,292	11	2	2	14	56.4%
J.Friesz	SEA	281	19	309	16	8.9%	10	10.8%	229	1,574	1,514	8	3	1	4	56.9%
S.Bono	KC	269	20	145	23	-1.9%	22	-6.1%	463	2,608	2,703	12	1	4	12	54.1%
S.Mitchell	DET	235	21	155	22	-3.3%	24	-5.9%	482	2,859	2,731	17	8	0	17	58.2%

Steve Bono, 20/47 QBs.

[ClevelandBronco]

I wonder who Cassel blew to get that high on the list.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

It's not just about pocket presence it's the way they see the field and process information. Favre and Romo often literally throw no look passes on the football field. They see everything at once, without zeroing in on anything. They're both extreme examples and perceptive ability of that degree is not rquired of NFL QBs, but you cant' be a total robot either. QBs like Cassell see and do only 1 thing at a time and whatever they're seeing, thinking, or doing is zeroed in on with tunnel vision. Rivers is the closest of the successful QBs to be that way but can also do things with his accuracy that Cassell can't.

And for Favre, and especially Romo, that "No look" pass lead to a lot of interceptions.

Romo cut down tremendously on that "No look" pass after the third game this season, and his interceptions went down, and overall performance, especially in December, improved.

[Earthling]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Im willing to bet that he makes a pronounced jump up in these rankings by this time next year after some of these gaping weaknesses are fixed and he progresses as qbs with his work ethic do.

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I am willing to put any of these three on the line against any of the "horsemen" to say that Cassel cuts that number in half and ends up at least 22nd in these rankings next year or better. This puts me at a huge disadvantage because it is dependent on Pioli filling the holes that are there to give the kid a chance at achieving this, but I am basing my thoughts on the fact that I fully believe that Pioli looked at this as a evaluation year and that he will fill a couple needed holes to help his investment succeed. So call me a homer for this all you want or claim I am calling for a miracle, but I honestly think it is ralistic to expect that type of improvement or better. The kid is not a total loss.

Who is game?

/hopes this doesn't backfire, but one has to have hope

Rep !

Damn...With all the beetchin' and moaning about Cassel's worthlessness and no one taking this bet...???

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Earthling

Rep !

Damn...With all the beetchin' and moaning about Cassel's worthlessness and no one taking this bet...???

I think even the people pointing out Cassel's weaknesses expect his "numbers" to increase dramatically.

Charlie Weis is a smart enough OC not to ask him to do things he can't do.

So expect even more dumpoffs, WR screens and other assorted passes under 10 yards - which will inflate his stats, at least on the surface.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think even the people pointing out Cassel's weaknesses expect his "numbers" to increase dramatically.

Charlie Weis is a smart enough OC not to ask him to do things he can't do.

So expect even more dumpoffs, WR screens and other assorted passes under 10 yards - which will inflate his stats, at least on the surface.

And saying that he'll rank 22nd next year isn't exactly a bold prediction.

Chris ****ing Redman is #22 this year.

Cassel will be one of the worst starting QBs in the league! Who wants to bet?!!!??

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think even the people pointing out Cassel's weaknesses expect his "numbers" to increase dramatically.

Charlie Weis is a smart enough OC not to ask him to do things he can't do.

So expect even more dumpoffs, WR screens and other assorted passes under 10 yards - which will inflate his stats, at least on the surface.

I'd call that being smart and playing to a guys strengths. Cassel CANNOT throw the deep pass to save his life so if they can find ANYTHING he can do well, just do that A LOT.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And saying that he'll rank 22nd next year isn't exactly a bold prediction.

Chris ****ing Redman is #22 this year.

Cassel will be one of the worst starting QBs in the league! Who wants to bet?!!!??

Holy shit, I missed that.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I'd call that being smart and playing to a guys strengths. Cassel CANNOT throw the deep pass to save his life so if they can find ANYTHING he can do well, just do that A LOT.

Well, it is smart on the surface. You never want to ask players to do things they can't do. Especially at the most important position on the field.

The problem is, you've just given the defense even less field to defend, all because your QB has severe limitations.

It's the type of offense that in today's NFL, will probably get you within a game of .500 on either side, and if you do sneak into the playoffs, a one-and-done.