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Old 01-11-2010, 09:44 AM   #1
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Your baseless criticisms don't make any sense. Self wasn't the reason they lost the game yesterday.
bullshit ... KU had no answer against tennessee because Self doesn't coach them with an answer.

his teams tend to have their butt pucker with outside shooting because Self doesn't like to shoot from the outside. So when the team has to shoot they are so nervous they can't.

our offense has so few options because Self doesn't coach many options.


Self is about Defense and offensive Discipline ... that's it.

so when KU runs up against an athletic team the same thing happens over and over again. They go from world killers to drag the game into the mud and hope for the last shot.

This year, last year .... every year is the same.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:59 AM   #2
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bullshit ... KU had no answer against tennessee because Self doesn't coach them with an answer.

his teams tend to have their butt pucker with outside shooting because Self doesn't like to shoot from the outside. So when the team has to shoot they are so nervous they can't.

our offense has so few options because Self doesn't coach many options.


Self is about Defense and offensive Discipline ... that's it.

so when KU runs up against an athletic team the same thing happens over and over again. They go from world killers to drag the game into the mud and hope for the last shot.

This year, last year .... every year is the same.
I disagree. KU shoots a lot of threes. Going into yesterday's game they were the #2 three-point shooting team in the NCAA. Collins, Reed, Morningstar, Henry (x2), and Taylor have the green light. The Morris twins, Aldrich, and other post players, not so much... and for a good reason: post players should not have to score from outside the arc. If they're not scoring in the post, or at least within 15ft, they are not doing their job.

I do agree that Self's tenets are defense and offensive discipline. That is a solid foundation. It was good enough to win a NC ;-)
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:08 AM   #3
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I disagree. KU shoots a lot of threes. Going into yesterday's game they were the #2 three-point shooting team in the NCAA. Collins, Reed, Morningstar, Henry (x2), and Taylor have the green light. The Morris twins, Aldrich, and other post players, not so much... and for a good reason: post players should not have to score from outside the arc. If they're not scoring in the post, or at least within 15ft, they are not doing their job.

I do agree that Self's tenets are defense and offensive discipline. That is a solid foundation. It was good enough to win a NC ;-)
We shoot lots of 3's when we are up by 10 and playing against an inferior team. We are great at padding our stats.

but when things get tight, Self yells "go inside,go inside ... don't shoot that dam shot from outside!!" The team gets nervous and the outside shooting turns to complete shit against good teams. I'm talking about wide open, uncontested shots. Hell they even get nervous and can't shoot free throws.

Watch Xavier Henry ... he was shooting great from the outside to start the year but i bet you he gets nothing but worse from the outside now that he is under self.

yep ... NC Baby!!!!

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Old 01-11-2010, 10:09 AM   #4
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We shoot lots of 3's when we are up by 10 and playing against an inferior team. We are great at padding our stats.

but when things get tight, Self yells "go inside,go inside ... don't shoot that dam shot from outside!!" The team gets nervous and the outside shooting turns to complete shit against good teams. I'm talking about wide open, uncontested shots. Hell they even get nervous and can't shoot free throws.

Watch Xavier Henry ... he was shooting great from the outside to start the year but i bet you he gets nothing but worse from the outside now that he is under self.

yep ... NC Baby!!!!

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Old 01-11-2010, 10:10 AM   #5
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:26 AM   #7
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:19 AM   #8
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We shoot lots of 3's when we are up by 10 and playing against an inferior team. We are great at padding our stats.

but when things get tight, Self yells "go inside,go inside ... don't shoot that dam shot from outside!!" The team gets nervous and the outside shooting turns to complete shit against good teams. I'm talking about wide open, uncontested shots. Hell they even get nervous and can't shoot free throws.

Watch Xavier Henry ... he was shooting great from the outside to start the year but i bet you he gets nothing but worse from the outside now that he is under self.

yep ... NC Baby!!!!

I think it's more of him wanting his team to get back to their fundamentals rather than him "freaking out". If they play their game they win. If they are down, it is most likely due to the fact that they've not been playing their game... as was the case yesterday (and the previous game against Cornnell).

I'm not worried about it. They are still working the kinks out; I want them to learn lessons along the way then peak in March.

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Old 01-11-2010, 01:27 PM   #9
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so when KU runs up against an athletic team the same thing happens over and over again. They go from world killers to drag the game into the mud and hope for the last shot.

This year, last year .... every year is the same.
Not so sure about that.... I don't think Self necessarily dislikes an up-tempo game, he's just not going to sacrifice getting back and playing defense in order to run with another team. Yesterday they weren't hitting 3s, and they also missed several easy shots inside... not much Self can do about that. Some of the defensive lapses have been frustrating this year, and when you're not shooting well, they'll kill you.
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bullshit ... KU had no answer against tennessee because Self doesn't coach them with an answer.

his teams tend to have their butt pucker with outside shooting because Self doesn't like to shoot from the outside. So when the team has to shoot they are so nervous they can't.

our offense has so few options because Self doesn't coach many options.


Self is about Defense and offensive Discipline ... that's it.

so when KU runs up against an athletic team the same thing happens over and over again. They go from world killers to drag the game into the mud and hope for the last shot.

This year, last year .... every year is the same.
There's nothing Bill Self can do about a poor shooting team making all of their 3's. And there is definitely nothing he can do about all of his big men not showing up. Stop whining...it's pathetic.
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