McGwire admits steroid use

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Then it should be. cheating should not be rewarded.

Agreed.

If these guys had not cheated then the comparative numbers to get in the hall would not be so great.

Guys with shorter yet brilliant careers like Mattingly would actually have a chance to get in and deservedly so.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

Agreed.

If these guys had not cheated then the comparative numbers to get in the hall would not be so great.

Guys with shorter yet brilliant careers like Mattingly would actually have a chance to get in and deservedly so.

Mattingly had 222 HR in 14 seasons with a .830 OPS.
McGwire had 583 HR in 16 seasons with a .982 OPS.

Carry on, then.

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Mattingly had 222 HR in 14 seasons with a .830 OPS.
McGwire had 583 HR in 16 seasons with a .982 OPS.

Carry on, then.

And that is why I hate modern baseball. All people look at anymore are offensive statistics.

Don Mattingly's Resume (13 year career)

* 6× All-Star selection (1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989)
* 9× Gold Glove Award winner (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994)
* 3× Silver Slugger Award winner (1985, 1986, 1987)
* 1985 AL MVP
* 1993 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
* New York Yankees team captain (1991–1995)
* New York Yankees #23 retired

McGwire's Resume (18 not 16 year career and a CHEATER)

* 12× All-Star selection (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000)
* World Series champion (1989)
* Gold Glove Award winner (1990)
* 3× Silver Slugger Award winner (1992, 1996, 1998)
* 1987 AL Rookie of the Year
* 1999 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
* 1992 Home Run Derby winner
* Major League Baseball All-Century Team

McGwire has double the All-Star numbers but how many of those were influenced by the steroids?

Mattingly has 8 more Gold Gloves

Both 3 time silver slugger winners

Mattingly hold a MLB record with 6 GS in a single season

Learn about Mattingly before you talk like you know something.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

And that is why I hate modern baseball. All people look at anymore are offensive statistics.

Don Mattingly's Resume (13 year career)

* 6× All-Star selection (1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989)
* 9× Gold Glove Award winner (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994)
* 3× Silver Slugger Award winner (1985, 1986, 1987)
* 1985 AL MVP
* 1993 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
* New York Yankees team captain (1991–1995)
* New York Yankees #23 retired

McGwire's Resume (18 not 16 year career and a CHEATER)

* 12× All-Star selection (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000)
* World Series champion (1989)
* Gold Glove Award winner (1990)
* 3× Silver Slugger Award winner (1992, 1996, 1998)
* 1987 AL Rookie of the Year
* 1999 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
* 1992 Home Run Derby winner
* Major League Baseball All-Century Team

McGwire has double the All-Star numbers but how many of those were influenced by the steroids?

Mattingly has 8 more Gold Gloves

Both 3 time silver slugger winners

Mattingly hold a MLB record with 6 GS in a single season

Learn about Mattingly before you talk like you know something.

How do you know Mattingly didn't pop pills or do anything else illegal? Were you in the locker room with him?

[penchief]

Originally Posted by frazod

How do you know Mattingly didn't pop pills or do anything else illegal? Were you in the locker room with him?

Steroid use has skewed career stats so dramatically it's silly to compare the impact of steroids to those other things. No way dudes are hitting 70 and 80 homers without PEDs..

So much so that when it comes to HOF consideration it is just not fair to compare those who juiced to those who didn't.


Mattingly was a superior player to McGwire, hands down. Without steroids McGwire is likely not even a HOF candidate.
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[Frazod]

Originally Posted by penchief

Steroid use has skewed career stats so dramatically it's silly to compare the impact of steroids to those other things. No way dudes are hitting 70 and 80 homers without PEDs..

So much so that when it comes to HOF consideration it is just not fair to compare those who juiced to those who didn't.


Mattingly was a superior player to McGwire, hands down. Without steroids McGwire is likely not even a HOF candidate.
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Hey, cheating is cheating. On a 100 degree day in July, a couple of uppers between innings might add the pep in somebody's step that makes the difference between the beginning of a highlight double play and a two base error. How many of those add up to a Gold Glove?

I mean, as long as we've all turned into a bunch of ****ing old women, why discriminate?

[penchief]

Originally Posted by frazod

Hey, cheating is cheating. On a 100 degree day in July, a couple of uppers between innings might add the pep in somebody's step that makes the difference between the beginning of a highlight double play and a two base error. How many of those add up to a Gold Glove?

I mean, as long as we've all turned into a bunch of ****ing old women, why discriminate?

Well, we know that McGwire padded his career power numbers immensely by juicing.

Speculating that those who didn't juice also may have padded their stats with uppers is niothing more than a justification for something that skewed career stats so dramatically that baseball will be forever marred.
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[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

And that is why I hate modern baseball. All people look at anymore are offensive statistics.

Don Mattingly's Resume (13 year career)

* 6× All-Star selection (1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989)
* 9× Gold Glove Award winner (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994)
* 3× Silver Slugger Award winner (1985, 1986, 1987)
* 1985 AL MVP
* 1993 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
* New York Yankees team captain (1991–1995)
* New York Yankees #23 retired

McGwire's Resume (18 not 16 year career and a CHEATER)

* 12× All-Star selection (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000)
* World Series champion (1989)
* Gold Glove Award winner (1990)
* 3× Silver Slugger Award winner (1992, 1996, 1998)
* 1987 AL Rookie of the Year
* 1999 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
* 1992 Home Run Derby winner
* Major League Baseball All-Century Team

McGwire has double the All-Star numbers but how many of those were influenced by the steroids?

Mattingly has 8 more Gold Gloves

Both 3 time silver slugger winners

Mattingly hold a MLB record with 6 GS in a single season

Learn about Mattingly before you talk like you know something.

#1. Is it just me, or does McGwire's resume look a lot better? Especially when you account for the massive statistical difference.
#2. Mattingly could have taken steroids for all you know, just like everybody else.
#3. McGwire outclasses Mattingly so badly offensively that even the upgrade of Mattingly defensively can't come close to touching McGwire.
#4. Please don't use Gold Gloves as a measure of defense...they are more a measure of good offensive players that "look" good defensively. Jeter, for example, has four of them and he's a poor defensive SS. And the fact that McGwire actually won one should tell you that.

Learn something about baseball history before you go ranting about steroids and cheating in baseball.