Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs - Page 8

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

**morphius** · 01-14-2010, 09:14 AM

So the article is basically Bellicheck designed the defense when Crennel was in NE, everyone has worked together in the past just fine, but they all have big ego's so there is no way they can work together now and Crennel did create the game day D's and call the D's on game day? WTF?

**Bearcat** · 01-14-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

JFC...I don't think I can take it anymore. This fan base drives me nuts. I don't think there is anything anyone at 1 Arrowhead Dr. could do. Bring in someone who is an up and comer (Haley) and it's a colossal mistake, he's a piece of shit who can't coach. Bring in TWO mfers with Superbowl rings, and it's the crony system. Pioli is a fraud, it was all about Bellicheck. Same with Crennel, Bellicheck did everything and Romeo sat around and ate donuts apparently. Weis is good, but apparently he's a real asshole.

**** this shit.

Yeah, it's why I spend January in the playoff threads, Jan-Apr in the CBB & poop threads, and otherwise lurk... all the Chiefs news/moves are pointless speculation, and some people will never be happy. Remember though, for every person who bitches and moans about every decision, there are probably many more who like the move or are apathetic until they see the results on the field... it's just that those people are much quieter.

TRR · 01-14-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

I'm fine with the hires, I'm mostly on edge with the upcoming draft. We have to get it right and
a repeat of last years draft would make these hires irrelevent. How much input will these guys
have on who we draft?
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Luckily I think both Weis and Crennel are on board early enough to evaluate college players, attend or review the combine, and have open communication with KC's scouts.
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**Bearcat** · 01-14-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius

So the article is basically Bellicheck designed the defense when Crennel was in NE, everyone has worked together in the past just fine, but they all have big ego's so there is no way they can work together now and Crennel did create the game day D's and call the D's on game day? WTF?

Yeah, he was really spinning his wheels with that one..... he's trying not to be flat-out negative, so he ends up backtracking and contradicting himself.

Mr. Laz · 01-14-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, it's why I spend January in the playoff threads, Jan-Apr in the CBB & poop threads, and otherwise lurk... all the Chiefs news/moves are pointless speculation, and some people will never be happy. Remember though, for every person who bitches and moans about every decision, there are probably many more who like the move or are apathetic until they see the results on the field... it's just that those people are much quieter.

those people need to be louder and help us beat down the assholes.

the reason why douche dicks like 4H exist is because they are so mouthy and gang up on people. If more people tell them to just shut the **** up then they won't influence the BBS so much.

FIGHT THE POWER!!!!

either that or everyone should just put them on iggy so they can talk and jack each other off in private.

smittysbar · 01-14-2010, 09:20 AM

You know I bitch some about this team. I didn't like bringing Cassel in. I still think he is a mistake, and have said so many times. But come on, this has gotten ridiculous! I agree with several posters in this thread, some people bitch just to bitch, and it gets OLD. I see nothing wrong with criticism or being real, but every ****ing move?

I have not been posting as much for the main reason being that EVERY ****ing thread gets turned into the same bull shit. Same people saying the same shit that they are saying the the other 400 threads. WE GET YOUR POINT.

When Pioli was hired most knew that he would bring in people he was familiar with, why are you shocked? They have came from a winning organization, which to me would seem to be a good thing. Everyone in the NFL has some sort of the buddy system, get used to it.

I for one am excited about these two moves, in the past we just stand pat. It is a major upgrade to the team I love, and hopefully they can start to turn this ship around.

Chiefnj2 · 01-14-2010, 09:24 AM

Weis and Crennel are clearly steps in the right direction, but KC still doesn't have the talent to go .500 next year even with a good draft.

Mr. Laz · 01-14-2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

I have not been posting as much for the main reason being that EVERY ****ing thread gets turned into the same bull shit. Same people saying the same shit that they are saying the the other 400 threads. WE GET YOUR POINT.

i encourage everyone to the iggy feature instead of just not posting.

if everyone puts that group of assclowns on ignore then they will eventually get the message.

for firefox users there is even a better Ignore add-on that means you don't seen the ignored people at all, even in quotes,replies etc.

go here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7023

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Everyone in the NFL has some sort of the buddy system, get used to it.

Everyone in the NFL does not just hire two retreads because they are comfortable with them instead of going out and conducting a SEARCH for the BEST candidates for OC and DC.

Dayze · 01-14-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

You'll eventually find it funny. They become a source of amusement.

"OMFG, THEY INVENTED A CAR THAT RUNS ON WATER....NOW WE"RE GONNA RUN OUT OF ****ING WATER. THIS SUCKS"

oldandslow · 01-14-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Everyone in the NFL does not just hire two retreads because they are comfortable with them instead of going out and conducting a SEARCH for the BEST candidates for OC and DC.

so says the person who was pimping LJ all the way up to his twitter meltdown moment.

**morphius** · 01-14-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

stupid ass mother****ers ... seriously only around KC would people actually bitch about hiring coaches with super bowl rings after losing as much as we have the last 15 years.

seriously?

Well, everyone knows that to move from DC/OC to HC takes a lot of ego, and then when you get fired from your HC job your ego is still so big that you can't possibly work with people you have been around your whole life. And obviously if you are an insider that becomes an outsider for a little while and then become and insider again, the other insiders are just plotting against you to knock you out of your job because they already failed at HC, but their ego's won't allow them to be anything but HC's or GM's, and... ahh **** it, Whitlock is on crack.

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

so says the person who was pimping LJ all the way up to his twitter meltdown moment.

What the **** does LJ have to do with coaching decisions? Jesus.

TRR · 01-14-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Everyone in the NFL does not just hire two retreads because they are comfortable with them instead of going out and conducting a SEARCH for the BEST candidates for OC and DC.

Wow!

Speechless...
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Contrarian · 01-14-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I would like to see them hire some coaches who didn't use to be with the Patriots or are a bit younger you know.

It's not a problem that they won bowls, but that isn't the criteria we should look for either, we had a ton of SB winning guys when Vermiel was here, that never worked.

I think my biggest issue is it just doesn't look like they are going out of their way to get the best guy other than just hiring the guys he knows from NE. In a vacuum 1 on 1 they're fine hires but when you add them all up it's like yo man good ole boy network eh?

And what is wrong with that?
As a manager I would hire people into positions if they were available that I had a previous relationship with instead of someone that I didn't have a comfort level with. This whole argument is reeruned.
And all of this talk about Haley being on the hot seat this year. No he's not.
It is insane to think that motivation behind Pioli and Haleys coach hire decisions are based on Haleys future with the Chiefs. It is utterly stupid.

These guys are proven, their

01-14-2010, 01:33 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $920478	Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor. Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan. Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick). Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty. Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup. You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots. Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed. Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses. When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach. It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator. In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game. The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions. I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.) Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel. Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010. If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL. Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff. Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011. My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense. Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down. Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia. Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.
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