Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs - Page 13

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Herm, Gunther and Gailey would have just as many rings had they lucked into Tom Brady.

At one point the Patriots wanted Gunther to run their defense.

Don't the Patriots still have Tom Brady?
And aren't the Patriots OUT of the playoffs?

BigChiefFan · 01-14-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Guys, we should be questioning EVERYTHING this regime does after the shit that happened last year.

Why on Earth would you question bringing competent coordinators in, after last year?

Mr_Tomahawk · 01-14-2010, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Guys, we should be questioning EVERYTHING this regime does after the shit that happened last year.

...if no changes were to be made.

Again...how can you judge/grade new coordinators when they haven't even taken the exam...?

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Don't the Patriots still have Tom Brady?
And aren't the Patriots OUT of the playoffs?

Oh, yes, Brady was lucky to have Weis and Crennel.

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Why on Earth would you question bringing competent coordinators in, after last year?

Read the article.

Marcellus · 01-14-2010, 11:46 AM

[QUOTE=philfree;6444394]Some of this is contrary to what Gretz wrote in his article.

FORMER PATRIOTS CB TY LAW ON CRENNEL: “In the meetings, Romeo calls the defenses and runs the entire defense. Bill Belichick puts in the flavor and makes suggestions, but the defense is Romeo’s.”

FORMER GIANTS LB CARL BANKS ON CRENNEL: “A lot of what Bill Belichick is now is as a result o f having very smart coaches and players around him. As far as coaching, Romeo is just as much of a defensive genius as Bill.”

I cant wait to see the spin on this.

It's really not that complicated. Haters hate, that's what they do.

When you are starting from scratch you need as many known entities and non variables as possible. We are starting form scratch. Crennel and Weis are known commodities. We will have enough unknowns with all the new players we are going to have and already have.

If this were a veteran team with a good core group I could see looking for some new angle and something different to try but we don't have that.

When a company is going broke and in bankruptcy protection they don't promote the best middle manager in the company to do the restructuring and turn around. Typically they find a CEO who has a history of fixing problems and making corrections and bring them in to right the ship.

Nothing different here.

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Oh, yes, Brady was lucky to have Weis and Crennel.

That's a strawman argument. It was a package deal.
A mutually beneficial relationship.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Guys, we should be questioning EVERYTHING this regime does after the shit that happened last year.

So we should question hiring the best fit OC, and DC possible for this team?

In other words what you are saying is we should question these things so that if they don't work out we can say "OMG that was stupid" when in actuality it was the best decision at the time. It just didn't work out.

Sometimes people make the right call, and it still blows up in their face. In the NFL, you just never know what's going to happen, which is one of the great things about it.

Also. I think this team did improve over the course of the season, and the final game was a testament to that. Was every move the correct one? No,
But I believe that Crennel was the man they wanted all along. We did not have him last year, we had an abortion of a coach Pendergast who was only given the duty after it was clear that we weren't getting Crennel.

Let's just put it this way. This team is in MUCH better shape, than it was before this regime took over.

King_Chief_Fan · 01-14-2010, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

So we should question hiring the best fit OC, and DC possible for this team?

In other words what you are saying is we should question these things so that if they don't work out we can say "OMG that was stupid" when in actuality it was the best decision at the time. It just didn't work out.

Sometimes people make the right call, and it still blows up in their face. In the NFL, you just never know what's going to happen, which is one of the great things about it.

Also. I think this team did improve over the course of the season, and the final game was a testament to that. Was every move the correct one? No,
But I believe that Crennel was the man they wanted all along. We did not have him last year, we had an abortion of a coach Pendergast who was only given the duty after it was clear that we weren't getting Crennel.

Let's just put it this way. This team is in MUCH better shape, than it was before this regime took over.

indeed

suds79 · 01-14-2010, 11:51 AM

Man this take from Whitlock is getting so old and tired, I couldn't even bring myself to read the column.

The next time a new GM or HC doesn't bring in a slew of "their guys" that they have history with will also be the first time.

It happens all the time and always will.

Time for Whitlock to get over that.

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

This team is in MUCH better shape, than it was before this regime took over.

We still need a defense and we still need a quarterback.

Yep, we've made ENORMOUS strides.

BigChiefFan · 01-14-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Read the article.

I did read the article, hence thinking Whitlock is FOS. We brought in competent coordinators, with an impressive resume. I fail to see the problem, because there isn't a problem with the hirings, but that didn't keep Whitlock from come off as petty, know-it-all, wanna-be.

Whitlock is a negative Nancy about everything, so I'll call him on it. I prefer to look for the silver lining, he prefers to rock the boat, even when it's still at port.

Mr_Tomahawk · 01-14-2010, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

We still need a defense and we still need a quarterback.

Yep, we've made ENORMOUS strides.

Rome.....

.....Day

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

So we should question hiring the best fit OC, and DC possible for this team?

In other words what you are saying is we should question these things so that if they don't work out we can say "OMG that was stupid" when in actuality it was the best decision at the time. It just didn't work out.

Sometimes people make the right call, and it still blows up in their face. In the NFL, you just never know what's going to happen, which is one of the great things about it.

Also. I think this team did improve over the course of the season, and the final game was a testament to that. Was every move the correct one? No,
But I believe that Crennel was the man they wanted all along. We did not have him last year, we had an abortion of a coach Pendergast who was only given the duty after it was clear that we weren't getting Crennel.

Let's just put it this way. This team is in MUCH better shape, than it was before this regime took over.

Fans want guarantees. Problem is, there are none in the NFL.
Hindsight is always 20/20. As it stands today, these were two of the best candidates available. To have brought them BOTH in was a coup for this organization. Now, it remains to be seen how it will all work out.

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

there isn't a problem with the hirings

THEY DIDN'T INTERVIEW ANYBODY ELSE!

01-14-2010, 01:33 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $920478	Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor. Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan. Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick). Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty. Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup. You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots. Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed. Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses. When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach. It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator. In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game. The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions. I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.) Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel. Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010. If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL. Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff. Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011. My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense. Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down. Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia. Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.
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Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-417338	[QUOTE=philfree;6444394]Some of this is contrary to what Gretz wrote in his article. FORMER PATRIOTS CB TY LAW ON CRENNEL: “In the meetings, Romeo calls the defenses and runs the entire defense. Bill Belichick puts in the flavor and makes suggestions, but the defense is Romeo’s.” FORMER GIANTS LB CARL BANKS ON CRENNEL: “A lot of what Bill Belichick is now is as a result o f having very smart coaches and players around him. As far as coaching, Romeo is just as much of a defensive genius as Bill.” I cant wait to see the spin on this. It's really not that complicated. Haters hate, that's what they do. When you are starting from scratch you need as many known entities and non variables as possible. We are starting form scratch. Crennel and Weis are known commodities. We will have enough unknowns with all the new players we are going to have and already have. If this were a veteran team with a good core group I could see looking for some new angle and something different to try but we don't have that. When a company is going broke and in bankruptcy protection they don't promote the best middle manager in the company to do the restructuring and turn around. Typically they find a CEO who has a history of fixing problems and making corrections and bring them in to right the ship. Nothing different here.
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suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	Man this take from Whitlock is getting so old and tired, I couldn't even bring myself to read the column. The next time a new GM or HC doesn't bring in a slew of "their guys" that they have history with will also be the first time. It happens all the time and always will. Time for Whitlock to get over that.
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