Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs - Page 21

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

LaChapelle · 01-14-2010, 01:04 PM

My understanding is that this is plan B or C
Shanahan and/or Cowher were plan A/B
not a horrible fall back

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Just a hypothetical:

If Cassel is in the top ten in Rating, and TD passes next season you would consider him worth that kind of money right?

Hell no. Because he could throw for 30 TD's, and in your scenario, throw 25 INT's.

Now, if you want to say Top 10 across the board, I'll listen. Plus, I want to see a 50% completion or better on throws over 10 yards - because without him being able to keep defenses honest, we're looking at more 8-8 records and maybe a one-and-done here and there.

So, what would Top 10 across the board require?

4000 yards passing

65% completion percentage

26TD's or more

10INT's or less

95 QB rating.

50% or better over 10 yard throws.

Mr. Laz · 01-14-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Actually, he didn't.

Even Sims had a better rookie season.

still twisting shit so you can bitch.

just leave out the rather large position difference that leads to a change in stat difference.

you are so full of shit

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

still twisting shit so you can bitch.

just leave out the rather large position difference that leads to a change in stat difference.

you are so full of shit

I'm not even talking about statistics.

Sims didn't get pushed around on darn-near every play.

Shag · 01-14-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

Quote:

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

Is Whitlock not contradicting himself here?

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Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Uh...can't we say that already?

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:16 PM

He's not contradicting himself. Belichick designed the strategy, Crennel implemented it on the practice field during the week. Crennel called the game (probably with huge input from BB).

DBOSHO · 01-14-2010, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Hell no. Because he could throw for 30 TD's, and in your scenario, throw 25 INT's.

Now, if you want to say Top 10 across the board, I'll listen. Plus, I want to see a 50% completion or better on throws over 10 yards - because without him being able to keep defenses honest, we're looking at more 8-8 records and maybe a one-and-done here and there.

So, what would Top 10 across the board require?

4000 yards passing

65% completion percentage

26TD's or more

10INT's or less

95 QB rating.

50% or better over 10 yard throws.

yeah, good luck with that...

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Hell no. Because he could throw for 30 TD's, and in your scenario, throw 25 INT's.

Now, if you want to say Top 10 across the board, I'll listen. Plus, I want to see a 50% completion or better on throws over 10 yards - because without him being able to keep defenses honest, we're looking at more 8-8 records and maybe a one-and-done here and there.

So, what would Top 10 across the board require?

4000 yards passing

65% completion percentage

26TD's or more

10INT's or less

95 QB rating.

50% or better over 10 yard throws.

Striking out completion percentage on throws over 10 yards...
There were exactly 7 QB's who met that criteria this season.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Hell no. Because he could throw for 30 TD's, and in your scenario, throw 25 INT's.

Now, if you want to say Top 10 across the board, I'll listen. Plus, I want to see a 50% completion or better on throws over 10 yards - because without him being able to keep defenses honest, we're looking at more 8-8 records and maybe a one-and-done here and there.

So, what would Top 10 across the board require?

4000 yards passing

65% completion percentage

26TD's or more

10INT's or less

95 QB rating.

50% or better over 10 yard throws.

I agree. That sounds fair.

Even if he were a shade below those #s I still think it could be argued that he was earning his $..

like
3800

63%

26+tds

12ints

90+ rating

and yeah 50% at least on 10+ yard throws.

I could live with that.

**DeezNutz** · 01-14-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Guys, we should be questioning EVERYTHING this regime does after the shit that happened last year.

Being skeptical and interrogating possibilities are defining characteristics of critical thinking.

The fact that someone posts that it's ok to do this, or that we should be doing this, is scary.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

He's not contradicting himself. Belichick designed the strategy, Crennel implemented it on the practice field during the week. Crennel called the game (probably with huge input from BB).

That's not what the players have said, but we'll listen to you instead.

stevieray · 01-14-2010, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Misguided?

My frustration is right where it belongs, aimed right at Scott Pioli.

It's not Cassel's fault

good, does this mean you won't continue to blame cassel for his contract that was determined by the market?

Pioli is also dictated by the market..we don't know what Denver was willing to pay for Cassel.

This is about the league overpaying players for something they might do...the market has determined this..these players aren't bigger than the game, even though fans constantly expect them to be, and then ridicule and blame them for things out of their control.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

Striking out completion percentage on throws over 10 yards...
There were exactly 7 QB's who met that criteria this season.

Yeah, and he's getting paid like, and being sold as a Franchise QB.

Time to play like one.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

Striking out completion percentage on throws over 10 yards...
There were exactly 7 QB's who met that criteria this season.

To be fair, there are not 7 QBs making more money than Cassel IIRC. (I could easily be wrong)

I'm just talking $, and earning it.

MMXcalibur · 01-14-2010, 01:23 PM

As far as Matt Cassel is concerned, I'm hoping it's a similar situation to Trent Green's first year in KC. I wasn't around here at this time, but I do remember on other boards they were calling for his head after one season and I'd say for the most part, that worked out pretty well in the end. And if I'm wrong in comparing the two, I don't want just a lone facepalm smiley...I want a legitimate reason why you couldn't compare the two.

Maybe I missed a list of names, but exactly WHO ELSE out there would have been a better hire at this point in time at the offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator positions? Personally, I can't find a whole lot of names that are better to bring in now than Weis and Crennel. As far as using the "good ol' boy network" and being "lazy", I really could give two shits. If Pioli's own mother could help coordinate a better defense, then bring her in too. I want to see the Chiefs getting back to winning football games and that's my bottom line. If you need to hire Pioli's mother or his second cousin twice removed who's serving a life sentence in a prison somewhere in western Montana for killing nine people and needs to phone in offensive plays from his cell, I don't care.....I want to the Chiefs to start winning again and the hiring of Weis and Crennel looks like at this time the best way to moving in that direction.

01-14-2010, 01:33 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $890478	Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor. Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan. Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick). Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty. Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup. You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots. Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed. Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses. When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach. It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator. In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game. The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions. I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.) Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel. Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010. If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL. Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff. Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011. My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense. Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down. Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia. Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.
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MMXcalibur Pessimistically optimistic. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Denver, CO Casino cash: $-144914	As far as Matt Cassel is concerned, I'm hoping it's a similar situation to Trent Green's first year in KC. I wasn't around here at this time, but I do remember on other boards they were calling for his head after one season and I'd say for the most part, that worked out pretty well in the end. And if I'm wrong in comparing the two, I don't want just a lone facepalm smiley...I want a legitimate reason why you couldn't compare the two. Maybe I missed a list of names, but exactly WHO ELSE out there would have been a better hire at this point in time at the offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator positions? Personally, I can't find a whole lot of names that are better to bring in now than Weis and Crennel. As far as using the "good ol' boy network" and being "lazy", I really could give two shits. If Pioli's own mother could help coordinate a better defense, then bring her in too. I want to see the Chiefs getting back to winning football games and that's my bottom line. If you need to hire Pioli's mother or his second cousin twice removed who's serving a life sentence in a prison somewhere in western Montana for killing nine people and needs to phone in offensive plays from his cell, I don't care.....I want to the Chiefs to start winning again and the hiring of Weis and Crennel looks like at this time the best way to moving in that direction.
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