Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs - Page 29

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

Titty Meat · 01-14-2010, 04:21 PM

Mecca since you follow the draft alot prehaps you can explain this.... Why did the Patriots drafts start to suck after 2004-2005?

Mecca · 01-14-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Mecca since you follow the draft alot prehaps you can explain this.... Why did the Patriots drafts start to suck after 2004-2005?

Just valuing the wrong players, their obsession to trade down hasn't helped either.

Who cares if you have 12 picks if 2 years later only 1 of those guys is still left on your team?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Most of the rest of us aren't arrogant enough to presume we know more about building a winning franchise than Scott Pioli.

I guess that means every sports fan in the world is arrogant.

"Why did Haley try a fake punt on 4th and 8 from his own 28?"

"Why didn't Hillman bring in Soria to pitch to that last batter in the 8th, instead of waiting for the 9th?"

It's part of being a fan.

Being a fan has changed, mainly because the amount of information available about players and teams has skyrocketed.

In 1989, you had no idea if Derrick Thomas was a good pick, because unless you lived in SEC country, you probably never saw him.

Now, almost every game is available, and kids from smaller schools are getting the same attention that kids from bigger schools get.

It has nothing to do with thinking we could do a better job than Pioli. But we recognize that the man is human - not perfect - and that he can, and does make mistakes, just like the people that compliment and criticize his work.

Mecca · 01-14-2010, 04:25 PM

I think I'd like to know why critical thinking is completely frowned upon by numerous people.

Saccopoo · 01-14-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Thanks for bringing something worthwhile to the dicussion.

Like I said...pissy.

Okay, here we go:

Assuming that Cassel plays 16 games next season, and has

a. 550 attempts, completing 60% of them (330):
a = ((330/550 x 100) - 30) x .05
a = 1.5

b. Cassel throws for 3500 yards on those 550 attempts:
b = (3500/550 - 3) x .25
b = .84

c. Cassel throws for 25 touchdowns
c = (25/550) x 20
c = .90

d. Cassel has 15 interceptions
d = 2.375 - (15/550 x 25)
d = 1.694

(1.5 + .84 + .90 + 1.694)/6 x 100

NFL Passer rating of 82.23 (approximate)

So, anything from about 80 to 85 would be perfectly acceptable to me for Cassel next season. Particularly if Jamaal Charles was able to produce for a full season as he did the last eight games in the 2009/2010 regular season.

Titty Meat · 01-14-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Just valuing the wrong players, their obsession to trade down hasn't helped either.

Who cares if you have 12 picks if 2 years later only 1 of those guys is still left on your team?

It's really that simple? How big of a reach would it be to say they didn't have Weis and Crennels input? I'm trying to study why they went from having a few pretty good drafts to complete shit.

Mecca · 01-14-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

It's really that simple? How big of a reach would it be to say they didn't have Weis and Crennels input? I'm trying to study why they went from having a few pretty good drafts to complete shit.

I don't think it had that much to do with their coordinators, they made a few head scratcher picks that turned out well like say Logan Mankins, then they started making more picks like that they didn't work out.

Sometimes you can believe your own hype. When you start picking low every year and then you desire to trade down all the time because you think you can find players and then all of the sudden none of them workout, problem.

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think I'd like to know why critical thinking is completely frowned upon by numerous people.

I think fans have done that with the hirings of Weis and Crennel.
Well, those that are concerned with more than who their previous employers were.

Mecca · 01-14-2010, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

I think fans have done that with the hirings of Weis and Crennel.
Well, those that are concerned with more than who their previous employers were.

I think I was pretty straight forward, I'm still far more concerned about Pioli finding good players, Todd Haley being competent and Matt Cassel being any good at all than I am with the coordinators.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

I think fans have done that with the hirings of Weis and Crennel.
Well, those that are concerned with more than who their previous employers were.

"They've won rings in the past, therefore they can/will do it in KC" is hardly critical thinking.

They have to show me.

Which is why for the time being, you won't see me talk much about Weis or Crennel.

However, the spotlight still shines on Pioli.

No scouts to freeze out, the band is back together.

There are no excuses in 2010.

Dinny Bossa Nova · 01-14-2010, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Like I said...pissy.

Okay, here we go:

Assuming that Cassel plays 16 games next season, and has

a. 550 attempts, completing 60% of them (330):
a = ((330/550 x 100) - 30) x .05
a = 1.5

b. Cassel throws for 3500 yards on those 550 attempts:
b = (3500/550 - 3) x .25
b = .84

c. Cassel throws for 25 touchdowns
c = (25/550) x 20
c = .90

d. Cassel has 15 interceptions
d = 2.375 - (15/550 x 25)
d = 1.694

(1.5 + .84 + .90 + 1.694)/6 x 100

NFL Passer rating of 82.23 (approximate)

So, anything from about 80 to 85 would be perfectly acceptable to me for Cassel next season. Particularly if Jamaal Charles was able to produce for a full season as he did the last eight games in the 2009/2010 regular season.

You gonna take that shit, Claythan?

**DeezNutz** · 01-14-2010, 04:36 PM

I do think that Whitlock makes a good point about Haley being the potential odd man out if things don't go well.

The NE three are proven winners, right?

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think I was pretty straight forward, I'm still far more concerned about Pioli finding good players, Todd Haley being competent and Matt Cassel being any good at all than I am with the coordinators.

As am I, but I don't take the hirings to mean there won't also be player acquisitions. One has nothing to do with the other.

And I'm guessing Haley can be much more competent...with competent coordinators to take his mind off of calling plays and weekly offensive preparation.

Cassel will also be helped by the Weis hiring.

Sounds like critical thinking to me Mecca.

Titty Meat · 01-14-2010, 04:38 PM

Pioli has his scouts this year right?

MMXcalibur · 01-14-2010, 04:38 PM

Off the subject, but exactly WHO is that girl in Claythan's avatar? I find myself staring at it for at least 2-3 minutes at a time.

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