Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If his deficiencies are just masked, welcome to a game or two either side of .500 ball and a possible one-and-done in the playoffs.

Manning
Rivers
Palmer
Brady
Flacco
Sanchez

Brees
Favre
Romo
Warner
Rodgers
McNabb

All franchise QB's. (Palmer can be argued now, but definitely was a FQB before his knee was destroyed)

Without one, expect a repeat of the mid-late 90's.

are you calling sanchez a franchise qb as of right now? seriously?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

are you calling sanchez a franchise qb as of right now? seriously?

He's expected to be. Top 10 picks at QB are usually considered to be franchise QB's until they prove otherwise.

Regardless of how you categorize Sanchez right now, the point stands.

Odds of winning a championship without a franchise QB are extremely low. Almost non-existent, unless you have a once-in-a-lifetime defense like the 2000 Ravens.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He's expected to be. Top 10 picks at QB are usually considered to be franchise QB's until they prove otherwise.

Regardless of how you categorize Sanchez right now, the point stands.

Odds of winning a championship without a franchise QB are extremely low. Almost non-existent, unless you have a once-in-a-lifetime defense like the 2000 Ravens.

doesnt matter whats expected. as of RIGHT NOW he hasnt played to that level

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

doesnt matter whats expected. as of RIGHT NOW he hasnt played to that level

You're arguing just to argue.

Every top 10 QB picked in this league in the last 20 years was considered a franchise QB until their play proved otherwise, and you know it.

Guys like the Manning's, Roethlisberger, Rivers, etc proved it.

Guys like Carr, Akili Smith and Ryan leaf didn't.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're arguing just to argue.

Every top 10 QB picked in this league in the last 20 years was considered a franchise QB until their play proved otherwise, and you know it.

Guys like the Manning's, Roethlisberger, Rivers, etc proved it.

Guys like Carr, Akili Smith and Ryan leaf didn't.

i'm not arguing just to argue. that makes NO sense. every qb drafted top ten is HOPED HOPED to be a franchise level qb. his PLAY to this point hasnt shown that.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i'm not arguing just to argue. that makes NO sense. every qb drafted top ten is HOPED HOPED to be a franchise level qb. his PLAY to this point hasnt shown that.

Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it's not true.

When you're watching NFLN, ESPN or reading about the NFL, which of these do you typically hear?

"The (insert team here) finally have their franchise QB."

"The (insert team here) hope they've finally found their franchise QB"

You rarely, if ever hear the word hope.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it's not true.

When you're watching NFLN, ESPN or reading about the NFL, which of these do you typically hear?

"The (insert team here) finally have their franchise QB."

"The (insert team here) hope they've finally found their franchise QB"

You rarely, if ever hear the word hope.

so akili smith was a franchise qb?

who cares if they say hope when the team picked them they HOPED that guy ended up as a franchise guy.

just because you cant seem to grasp that doesnt make it not true

Saccopoo · 01-14-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He's expected to be. Top 10 picks at QB are usually considered to be franchise QB's until they prove otherwise.

Regardless of how you categorize Sanchez right now, the point stands.

Odds of winning a championship without a franchise QB are extremely low. Almost non-existent, unless you have a once-in-a-lifetime defense like the 2000 Ravens.

And you said you didn't have a thing for Sanchez...

keg in kc · 01-14-2010, 05:49 PM

The Sanchez talk's a little over-the-top. If they do happen to win it this year, it won't be because they have a franchise quarterback, because regardless of what he's expected to be, that's not what he was in 2009. He was a rookie who had a bad season and still got into the playoffs despite himself. Because his team's defense was #1 in yards and #1 in scoring. And because his team's running game was #1 in yards. Those are the things that carried the Jets -and carried him, the league's 28th rated quarterback, centerpiece of the league's 31st ranked passing offense - into the playoffs.

When he's carrying the Jets, and not vice-versa, that's the time to talk about him as a franchise player. Right now he's an expensive Trent Dilfer, for all intents and purposes. I'm not saying that's what he's going to be in the long run, but that's what he was and is in 2009.

He looked pretty good last week, for the 15 throws he had to make, no question about that. Once he does that for a whole season and beyond, then it's time to talk about his stature among NFL qbs.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The Sanchez talk's a little over-the-top. If they do happen to win it this year, it won't be because they have a franchise quarterback, because regardless of what he's expected to be, that's not what he was in 2009. He was a rookie who had a bad season and still got into the playoffs despite himself. Because his team's defense was #1 in yards and #1 in scoring. And because his team's running game was #1 in yards. Those are the things that carried the Jets -and carried him, the league's 28th rated quarterback, centerpiece of the league's 31st ranked passing offense - into the playoffs.

When he's carrying the Jets, and not vice-versa, that's the time to talk about him as a franchise player. Right now he's an expensive Trent Dilfer, for all intents and purposes. I'm not saying that's what he's going to be in the long run, but that's what he was and is in 2009.

He looked pretty good last week, for the 15 throws he had to make, no question about that. Once he does that for a whole season and beyond, then it's time to talk about his stature among NFL qbs.

i will say one thing for the guy he came out and said himself that he hasnt arrived yet, and reminded the crazy people that he only threw 15 passes, and then reminded people that the week before while fighting for a playoff spot he only threw for 60 some odd yards. they HID him in THAT game

keg in kc · 01-14-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i will say one thing for the guy he came out and said himself that he hasnt arrived yet, and reminded the crazy people that he only threw 15 passes, and then reminded people that the week before while fighting for a playoff spot he only threw for 60 some odd yards. they HID him in THAT game

I like the guy, I just tend to be a little more realistic and level-headed when I'm talking about him. He played how he played, end of story. If he's going to be a franchise player, he's got to do more. A lot more. I think he can, but what I think doesn't really matter a whole lot in the face of reality, which is what he's done.

And it's the same with any pick. Nobody's ever really a franchise player coming out of the draft. They have to earn that on the field, nomatter what position they play, what school they come from or where they were picked. So much time's spent on all this number crunching and tape study, and who should go where and why, but reality is that once the draft is over, once the minicamps start, it's all absolutely meaningless. In the end your legacy is always determined by what you do on the field on Sundays.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I like the guy, I just tend to be a little more realistic and level-headed when I'm talking about him. He played how he played, end of story. If he's going to be a franchise player, he's got to do more. A lot more. I think he can, but what I think doesn't really matter a whole lot in the face of reality, which is what he's done.

And it's the same with any pick. Nobody's ever really a franchise player coming out of the draft. They have to earn that on the field, nomatter what position they play, what school they come from or where they were picked. So much time's spent on all this number crunching and tape study, and who should go where and why, but reality is that once the draft is over, once the minicamps start, it's all absolutely meaningless. In the end your legacy is always determined by what you do on the field on Sundays.

i like him too, hell i have a ny titans sanchez jersey in my collection, and i think you are spot on on the rest of your post

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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	The Sanchez talk's a little over-the-top. If they do happen to win it this year, it won't be because they have a franchise quarterback, because regardless of what he's expected to be, that's not what he was in 2009. He was a rookie who had a bad season and still got into the playoffs despite himself. Because his team's defense was #1 in yards and #1 in scoring. And because his team's running game was #1 in yards. Those are the things that carried the Jets -and carried him, the league's 28th rated quarterback, centerpiece of the league's 31st ranked passing offense - into the playoffs. When he's carrying the Jets, and not vice-versa, that's the time to talk about him as a franchise player. Right now he's an expensive Trent Dilfer, for all intents and purposes. I'm not saying that's what he's going to be in the long run, but that's what he was and is in 2009. He looked pretty good last week, for the 15 throws he had to make, no question about that. Once he does that for a whole season and beyond, then it's time to talk about his stature among NFL qbs.
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