Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Right, it's points, which matters the most.

Guess what the Jets were this year? #17.

ok so what. still doesnt make sanchez' play THIS YEAR to be at a franchise level

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i'm not arguing just to argue. that makes NO sense. every qb drafted top ten is HOPED HOPED to be a franchise level qb. his PLAY to this point hasnt shown that.

Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it's not true.

When you're watching NFLN, ESPN or reading about the NFL, which of these do you typically hear?

"The (insert team here) finally have their franchise QB."

"The (insert team here) hope they've finally found their franchise QB"

You rarely, if ever hear the word hope.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You act as if those guys JUST became franchise QB's.

Guys like Brees, Manning, McNabb, Brady, to name a few, had shit to work with early in their careers. Maybe one guy they could lean on.

Christ, this is the first year in McNabb's career he's had more than one legitimate playmaker at WR.

Brady won a SB with Antowain Smith, Troy Brown, Davis Patten and Jermaine Wiggins, FFS.

Over time, they've all been fortunate to have some talent added to thier arsenal.

But it takes years to do so, and they all have had the benefit of starting from a young age, and growing with the young playmakers their franchise acquired.

Cassel, OTOH, will likely be 33+ before all of those pieces can be accumulated.

That's the downside of trading for an inexperienced QB that "should" be in his prime.

so....top ten pick, franchise QB's with more talent get a pass for have nothing to work with, but cassel doesn't? they get the benefit of the doubt growing with younger players?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

still not 1 and 1

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

In '97 the Chiefs had the #5 offense (pts) and the #1 D (pts).

Never underestimate the Martyocrity factor.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

The Sanchez talk's a little over-the-top. If they do happen to win it this year, it won't be because they have a franchise quarterback, because regardless of what he's expected to be, that's not what he was in 2009. He was a rookie who had a bad season and still got into the playoffs despite himself. Because his team's defense was #1 in yards and #1 in scoring. And because his team's running game was #1 in yards. Those are the things that carried the Jets -and carried him, the league's 28th rated quarterback, centerpiece of the league's 31st ranked passing offense - into the playoffs.

When he's carrying the Jets, and not vice-versa, that's the time to talk about him as a franchise player. Right now he's an expensive Trent Dilfer, for all intents and purposes. I'm not saying that's what he's going to be in the long run, but that's what he was and is in 2009.

He looked pretty good last week, for the 15 throws he had to make, no question about that. Once he does that for a whole season and beyond, then it's time to talk about his stature among NFL qbs.

i will say one thing for the guy he came out and said himself that he hasnt arrived yet, and reminded the crazy people that he only threw 15 passes, and then reminded people that the week before while fighting for a playoff spot he only threw for 60 some odd yards. they HID him in THAT game

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Never underestimate the Martyocrity factor.

It's happened to him too frequently to be luck, but damn...

Fumbles, kicks...

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it's not true.

When you're watching NFLN, ESPN or reading about the NFL, which of these do you typically hear?

"The (insert team here) finally have their franchise QB."

"The (insert team here) hope they've finally found their franchise QB"

You rarely, if ever hear the word hope.

so akili smith was a franchise qb?


who cares if they say hope when the team picked them they HOPED that guy ended up as a franchise guy.


just because you cant seem to grasp that doesnt make it not true

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

why? it wasnt 1 and 1 was it?


and BTW i could care less if you take me seriously. any one else for that matter.
but there are quite a few people around that do

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

why? it wasnt 1 and 1 was it?


and BTW i could care less if you take me seriously. any one else for that matter.
but there are quite a few people around that do

It was more impressive.

I'll take #5 in points any day over #1 in rushing and #17 in points.

And still no ring for Gonzo.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You act as if those guys JUST became franchise QB's.

No sir, you act like there weren't other valuable offensive skillplayers that preceded those I just named.

Guys like Brees, Manning, McNabb, Brady, to name a few, had shit to work with early in their careers. Maybe one guy they could lean on.

Brees had Tomlinson from the outset. He also had a fairly productive Curtis Conway and solid complementary pieces like Stephen Alexander and Tim Dwight.

Manning began his career with Marshall Faulk AND Marvin Harrison.

McNabb and Brady have done a lot with a little for most of their careers.
Won't argue there...But they're in pretty special company. Not many QB's of their ilk have done so much with such a pedestrian supporting cast.

Cassel, OTOH, will likely be 33+ before all of those pieces can be accumulated.

That's the downside of trading for an inexperienced QB that "should" be in his prime.

I disagree.
I think we can assemble comparable pieces over the next season or two.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It was more impressive.

I'll take #5 in points any day over #1 in rushing and #17 in points.

And still no ring for Gonzo.

fair enough

what was their(jets) defense's points allowed standing this year?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by stevieray

so....top ten pick, franchise QB's with more talent get a pass for have nothing to work with, but cassel doesn't? they get the benefit of the doubt growing with younger players?

Again...

Teams are built around a franchise QB.

The Colts, for example, were built around Manning. Over time, they went out and got the players that would benefit him and the offense most.

That takes TIME.

When you're Peyton Manning, and you start as a 22 year old rookie, it's a perfect scenario. Pieces are added while you grow as a QB.

By the time all the pieces are in place, you're 26-27 years old and in your prime.

Now put Cassel's name in place of Manning's, and add 5 years.

Unless you think that every QB in the league can defy age like Favre and Warner have, Cassel's going to be on the decline at that point.

That explains the general rule of thumb regarding QB's:

Most teams looking to build a dynasty draft and develop a QB, and build around him.

The teams that already have the talent in place, usually go for the veteran because their overall window is closing.

We're attempting the process in reverse.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

fair enough

what was their(jets) defense's points allowed standing this year?

#1, same as the Chiefs in '97.

You just can't argue against KC's ability to do a little with a lot. Your argument, unfortunately, was ****ed from the start.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i will say one thing for the guy he came out and said himself that he hasnt arrived yet, and reminded the crazy people that he only threw 15 passes, and then reminded people that the week before while fighting for a playoff spot he only threw for 60 some odd yards. they HID him in THAT game

I like the guy, I just tend to be a little more realistic and level-headed when I'm talking about him. He played how he played, end of story. If he's going to be a franchise player, he's got to do more. A lot more. I think he can, but what I think doesn't really matter a whole lot in the face of reality, which is what he's done.

And it's the same with any pick. Nobody's ever really a franchise player coming out of the draft. They have to earn that on the field, nomatter what position they play, what school they come from or where they were picked. So much time's spent on all this number crunching and tape study, and who should go where and why, but reality is that once the draft is over, once the minicamps start, it's all absolutely meaningless. In the end your legacy is always determined by what you do on the field on Sundays.