Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs - Page 33

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

No sir, you act like there weren't other valuable offensive skillplayers that preceded those I just named.

Brees had Tomlinson from the outset. He also had a fairly productive Curtis Conway and solid complementary pieces like Stephen Alexander and Tim Dwight.

Manning began his career with Marshall Faulk AND Marvin Harrison.

McNabb and Brady have done a lot with a little for most of their careers.
Won't argue there...But they're in pretty special company. Not many QB's of their ilk have done so much with such a pedestrian supporting cast.

I disagree.
I think we can assemble comparable pieces over the next season or two.

I can't take that seriously. Comparing Steven Alexander and Tim Dwight to the players you listed earlier. That's comical.

And shy of drafting nothing but offense for the next two years and hitting on every pick, while waiting the 2-3 years for them to develop, I'd love to know how you suggest surrounding Cassel with talent in 1 or 2 years.

keg in kc · 01-14-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's happened to him too frequently to be luck, but damn...

Fumbles, kicks...

The ironic thing is that you'd think he (and Chiefs fans) would have learned the value of the quarterback position by the sheer fact that Montana got him to the AFC championship despite himself.

Although he did seem to do it a different way in San Diego. But I never really believed that was by his own choice.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

#1, same as the Chiefs in '97.

You just can't argue against KC's ability to do a little with a lot. Your argument, unfortunately, was ****ed from the start.

again fair enough

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I like the guy, I just tend to be a little more realistic and level-headed when I'm talking about him. He played how he played, end of story. If he's going to be a franchise player, he's got to do more. A lot more. I think he can, but what I think doesn't really matter a whole lot in the face of reality, which is what he's done.

And it's the same with any pick. Nobody's ever really a franchise player coming out of the draft. They have to earn that on the field, nomatter what position they play, what school they come from or where they were picked. So much time's spent on all this number crunching and tape study, and who should go where and why, but reality is that once the draft is over, once the minicamps start, it's all absolutely meaningless. In the end your legacy is always determined by what you do on the field on Sundays.

i like him too, hell i have a ny titans sanchez jersey in my collection, and i think you are spot on on the rest of your post

**DeezNutz** · 01-14-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The ironic thing is that you'd think he (and Chiefs fans) would have learned the value of the quarterback position by the sheer fact that Montana got him to the AFC championship despite himself.

Although he did seem to do it a different way in San Diego. But I never really believed that was by his own choice.

I agree with the second part. Well, I would the whole thing, really.

Honestly, I can't explain why a larger portion of the representative fan base on this site isn't adamant about the need to draft and develop our own QB.

We're not going to get where we want to go with someone else's backup.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I agree with the second part.

Honestly, I can't explain why a larger portion of the representative fan base on this site isn't adamant about the need to draft and develop our own QB.

We're not going to get where we want to go with someone else's backup.

That's been the thing I've never understood.

Of all fans, the fans of THIS franchise should know by now that you need to draft and develop our own QB.

Instead, people cling to the hope that THIS TIME, things will be different.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I agree with the second part. Well, I would the whole thing, really.

Honestly, I can't explain why a larger portion of the representative fan base on this site isn't adamant about the need to draft and develop our own QB.

We're not going to get where we want to go with someone else's backup.

i was all for drafting sanchez, look back if you want, but we DIDNT. end of story.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That's been the thing I've never understood.

Of all fans, the fans of THIS franchise should know by now that you need to draft and develop our own QB.

Instead, people cling to the hope that THIS TIME, things will be different.

it might be. who are any of us to say at this point?

**DeezNutz** · 01-14-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i was all for drafting sanchez, look back if you want, but we DIDNT. end of story.

So what?

We still need to, and that's my point.

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I can't take that seriously. Comparing Steven Alexander and Tim Dwight to the players you listed earlier. That's comical.

Whether you take it seriously or not... That trio accounted for two-thirds of Brees' passing yardage and about half of his TD passes. If you factor in Tomlinson's numbers it jumps to about three-fourths of his offensive output. They made a SIGNIFICANT contribution in his 2nd year.

I'm not drawing a comparison to what he has now (in Nola) to what he had in his sophomore season as an NFL QB. I'm debunking this idea that he had nothing to work with. As his career wore on in San Diego he had an all-world Antonio Gates AND Tomlinson. With good complementary pieces all along.

He had talent around him.

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And shy of drafting nothing but offense for the next two years and hitting on every pick, while waiting the 2-3 years for them to develop, I'd love to know how you suggest surrounding Cassel with talent in 1 or 2 years.

We already have Charles and Bowe.
Add in another talented WR. Maybe a TE in Free Agency. And someone to spell Charles...

A good front office doesn't need 4 more years to acquire 3 playmakers.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

it might be. who are any of us to say at this point?

You keep doing things the same way, even though you've failed every time, and expect a different result.

Feel free.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

A good front office doesn't need 4 more years to acquire 3 playmakers.

So many jokes, so little time.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

So what?

We still need to, and that's my point.

my point is that some here are still ass hurt about not getting sanchez(no matter what they say) and it's time to give it up.

**SAUTO** · 01-14-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You keep doing things the same way, even though you've failed every time, and expect a different result.

Feel free.

that would only work if it was the same player every time.

i'm just glad that lenny was drafted by us

Mecca · 01-14-2010, 06:18 PM

So wait Jason is your argument that even though we wanted to draft a QB, we have to hope against hope that it'll work this time just cause?

01-14-2010, 01:33 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $960478	Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor. Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan. Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick). Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty. Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup. You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots. Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed. Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses. When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach. It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator. In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game. The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions. I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.) Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel. Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010. If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL. Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff. Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011. My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense. Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down. Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia. Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.
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