Chiefs Cassel Third Highest Paid QB In 2010

Marcellus · 02-16-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

All these posts that say "We need to fix the offensive line, upgrade the receivers and get another RB before we can definitively say he sucks".

It is the typical CP problem. You cant defend anybody or anything without being an all out homer or believe they are the next coming of JC.

My criticism and disappointment of Cassel grew as the year went on I will admit that. He has to play better or he wont see that $ in 2011. That is why teh contract is structured that way.

i am just not going to to throw him under the bus until he has had a chance to work with Weiss and have a full off season working on the offense.

I think that's more important the the line and other stuff.

Brock · 02-16-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

It is the typical CP problem. You cant defend anybody or anything without being an all out homer or believe they are the next coming of JC.

My criticism and disappointment of Cassel grew as the year went on I will admit that. He has to play better or he wont see that $ in 2011. That is why teh contract is structured that way.

i am just not going to to throw him under the bus until he has had a chance to work with Weiss and have a full off season working on the offense.

I think that's more important the the line and other stuff.

He's no reason to pass on drafting a QB. You're holding out hope he's going to suddenly improve beyond what we've seen, and it's unlikely.

MoreLemonPledge · 02-16-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

He's no reason to pass on drafting a QB. You're holding out hope he's going to suddenly improve beyond what we've seen, and it's unlikely.

In one breath people are lamenting the fact that we gave Cassel this contract, and then the same people turn around and advocate drafting another QB that will probably get a very similar contract and who is unproven. It just doesn't make sense.

**DeezNutz** · 02-16-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

In one breath people are lamenting the fact that we gave Cassel this contract, and then the same people turn around and advocate drafting another QB that will probably get a very similar contract and who is unproven. It just doesn't make sense.

Because he's not worth it.

A young player with legit upside IS worth the risk, financial and otherwise. The fact that this continues to be a debate is baffling.

"Unproven." ****. Until this team drafts and develops its own franchise QB, we won't win a ****ing thing of real value.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Because he's not worth it.

A young player with legit upside IS worth the risk, financial and otherwise. The fact that this continues to be a debate is baffling.

"Unproven." ****. Until this team drafts and develops its own franchise QB, we won't win a ****ing thing of real value.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

In one breath people are lamenting the fact that we gave Cassel this contract, and then the same people turn around and advocate drafting another QB that will probably get a very similar contract and who is unproven. It just doesn't make sense.

It makes all the sense in the world.

If you're going to give a big contract to a QB would you give it to the 22 year old out of college that has the talent, makeup and physical tools to be an elite, franchise QB?

Or would you give it to the 27 year old career backup that has never, and will never be thought of as a potential franchise QB?

MoreLemonPledge · 02-16-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Or would you give it to the 27 year old career backup that has never, and will never be thought of as a potential franchise QB?

That's just it. The Chiefs organization views Cassel as the franchise QB. Not potential. He is the guy. All of the arguments in the world won't change that. I think that's what people fail to understand.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

That's just it. The Chiefs organization views Cassel as the franchise QB. Not potential. He is the guy. All of the arguments in the world won't change that. I think that's what people fail to understand.

Oh, we understand it.

We also understand this team will never win a ****ing thing with him as the starting QB.

Do YOU think Matt Cassel is capable of putting a team on his shoulders and winning a championship?

MoreLemonPledge · 02-16-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Oh, we understand it.

We also understand this team will never win a ****ing thing with him as the starting QB.

Do YOU think Matt Cassel is capable of putting a team on his shoulders and winning a championship?

He's not Peyton Manning. A Cassel-led team will not be a playoff contender every year merely because of his presence. However, he's already proven that he can take a team to the playoffs. He's done it once. (And please don't argue that he took a 16-0 team and made them 11-5. Tom Brady himself went 10-6 with the team this year.)

To answer your question, he can be successful with the right supporting cast, like 80% of the other QBs in the league.

Fish · 02-16-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

That's just it. The Chiefs organization views Cassel as the franchise QB. Not potential. He is the guy. All of the arguments in the world won't change that. I think that's what people fail to understand.

Yeah, the organization is just glowing with confident praise....

Q: Charlie, what do you think of Cassel?

Weis: He's on the team.

Marcellus · 02-16-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It makes all the sense in the world.

If you're going to give a big contract to a QB would you give it to the 22 year old out of college that has the talent, makeup and physical tools to be an elite, franchise QB?

Or would you give it to the 27 year old career backup that has never, and will never be thought of as a potential franchise QB?

Except the contract given the rookie will cost more in guaranteed money and will not have a fairly easy out option in a few years. It isn't the same thing.

He plays well or he is gone after 2011. It is the same argument used against me with the Bledsoe deal when NE gave him $100MM contract right after they drafted Brady. How much of the $100MM did Bledsoe see?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Except the contract given the rookie will cost more in guaranteed money and will not have a fairly easy out option in a few years. It isn't the same thing.

He plays well or he is gone after 2011. It is the same argument used against me with the Bledsoe deal when NE gave him $100MM contract right after they drafted Brady. How much of the $100MM did Bledsoe see?

Spoken like a true chickenshit that is worried a QB might bust.

You pick Clausen, and if he flames out, you take the risk again. And again, if need be.

Being too chickenshit to take a calculated risk at the most important position on the field is the reason why this franchise is 40+ years without sniffing a championship.

Pocket aces might occasionally get snapped off by some dipshit running you down with 8-3 offsuit, but that doesn't mean you should quit raising every time you get them.

Instead, we keep folding them, and putting all our chips in with marginal hands, hoping to beat the odds and get lucky.

Mecca · 02-16-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Spoken like a true chickenshit that is worried a QB might bust.

You pick Clausen, and if he flames out, you take the risk again. And again, if need be.

Being too chickenshit to take a calculated risk at the most important position on the field is the reason why this franchise is 40+ years without sniffing a championship.

Pocket aces might occasionally get snapped off by some dipshit running you down with 8-3 offsuit, but that doesn't mean you should quit raising every time you get them.

Instead, we keep folding them, and putting all our chips in with marginal hands, hoping to beat the odds and get lucky.

We call this the typical Chiefs fan base, where people want the 90's back where we just made the playoffs and nothing else.

Marcellus · 02-16-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

He's no reason to pass on drafting a QB. You're holding out hope he's going to suddenly improve beyond what we've seen, and it's unlikely.

So let me get this straight.

When he went 11-5 in NE his first year starting since HS it was 100% due to the level of talent around him.

When he went 4-12 here in KC it had 0% to do with the level of talent around him?

Gotcha.

I am not some Cassel loving homer but the hatred has gotten out of hand.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

So let me get this straight.

When he went 11-5 in NE his first year starting since HS it was 100% due to the level of talent around him.

When he went 4-12 here in KC it had 0% to do with the level of talent around him?

Gotcha.

I am not some Cassel loving homer but the hatred has gotten out of hand.

Christ, a ****ing COLTS FAN saw this coming, but our dumbass fanbase doesn't understand.

http://www.mycolts.net/blogs/peytons...re-of-yac.aspx