Chiefs Cassel Third Highest Paid QB In 2010 - Page 10

RustShack · 02-16-2010, 12:34 PM

Cassel's contract puts more pressure on 2010 season
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 16, 2010 1:28 PM ET

Chiefs fans looking to raise their blood pressure should check out today's article in the Kansas City Star regarding Matt Cassel's contract.

We knew Cassel's total contract figures, but the some of the front-loaded numbers in the deal are eye-opening. Cassel's $11.75 million base salary in 2010 ranks third among NFL quarterbacks.

The Chiefs brass says they fully believe in Cassel, and they know better than anyone how awful their offensive line and receivers played last season.

With that said, Cassel is getting paid like a top-five quarterback. We wonder if he must start producing like one to stay in Kansas City past 2010.

Cassel is due a raise to $12.25 million in 2011, including a $7.5 million option bonus. That kind of option is a checkpoint in the contract -- a time to get out. If we had to bet on it today, we'd guess Cassel stays in Kansas City in 2011 and beyond.

But the guy has to show some progress on the field. Another rough season, and the best option for the Chiefs will be to move on.

MoreLemonPledge · 02-16-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Put Cassel on this year's Saints or Colts teams.

You'd be hard pressed to say either even make the playoffs, much less win the Super Bowl.

Drew Brees fits his offensive system perfectly. It was designed for him and his strengths. Don't forget that he wasn't great with the Chargers (one injury and they dump him). Cassel hasn't gotten that luxury. He's taken a great team and led them to a very good record. He's taken a terrible team and led them to a very poor record. That is how he should be judged.

Fish · 02-16-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

So if we get a better supporting cast he'll be a better QB?

And he was essentially a rookie in his time with NE. It's not like he was being groomed to take over for Brady. He should be judged as one. Not many rookies come into the NFL with the accuracy of a proven veteran.

Of course he'd be better with a better supporting cast. That's what he is. That's how you describe crappy average QBs. Dependent on their surroundings. Which is why we're talking about him like he's an average game manager at best.

But the fact remains, he's being paid like he's a Manning or a Favre.

And if you don't think he was ever thought of as a replacement for Brady, then how can you be OK with paying him like he was? You're saying it's OK to pay a backup as much as Manning or Favre.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Drew Brees fits his offensive system perfectly. It was designed for him and his strengths. Don't forget that he wasn't great with the Chargers (one injury and they dump him). Cassel hasn't gotten that luxury. He's taken a great team and led them to a very good record. He's taken a terrible team and led them to a very poor record. That is how he should be judged.

Are you incapable of answering a simple question?

Christ, I'll make it REALLY easy for you:

Take ANY of the 2009 playoff teams.

Make Matt Cassel the starting QB.

Does that team win a playoff game?

Two?

Three?

Win the SB?

YOU pick the team. Go ahead.

MoreLemonPledge · 02-16-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Of course he'd be better with a better supporting cast. That's what he is. That's how you describe crappy average QBs. Which is why we're talking about him like he's an average game manager at best.

But the fact remains, he's being paid like he's a Manning or a Favre.

And if you don't think he was ever thought of as a replacement for Brady, then how can you be OK with paying him like he was? You're saying it's OK to pay a backup as much as Manning or Favre.

I'm not concerned about the money. In the next few years he will be a middle of the road QB in pay. That's just how salary inflation has been with the NFL lately. He's only paid so much because he just signed the contract.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Of course he'd be better with a better supporting cast. That's what he is. That's how you describe crappy average QBs. Dependent on their surroundings. Which is why we're talking about him like he's an average game manager at best.

But the fact remains, he's being paid like he's a Manning or a Favre.

And if you don't think he was ever thought of as a replacement for Brady, then how can you be OK with paying him like he was? You're saying it's OK to pay a backup as much as Manning or Favre.

Holy shit, I missed that earlier.

NE didn't think enough of him to groom him as Brady's replacement, yet it's OK he's being paid like Peyton Manning and performing like JaMarcus Russell.

Awesome.

MoreLemonPledge · 02-16-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Are you incapable of answering a simple question?

Christ, I'll make it REALLY easy for you:

Take ANY of the 2009 playoff teams.

Make Matt Cassel the starting QB.

Does that team win a playoff game?

Two?

Three?

Win the SB?

YOU pick the team. Go ahead.

I don't need to. He led a team to 11-5 (the first 11-5 team to ever miss the playoffs if I'm correct). We don't need to speak in hypotheticals.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

I don't need to. He led a team to 11-5 (the first 11-5 team to ever miss the playoffs if I'm correct). We don't need to speak in hypotheticals.

You lose.

MoreLemonPledge · 02-16-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You lose.

How?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

How?

You're too chickenshit to argue your point.

I'm GIVING you talented teams. Your excuse is he has no talent around him. I'm giving you the opportunity to surround him with the most talented teams of 2009.

So, pick a team.

Do YOU think Matt Cassel is capable of winning a championship on one (again, YOUR choice, since you want to make excuses) of the 2009 playoff teams?

It's really not that hard, but I can see why you wouldn't want to answer.

Mainly, because you're full of shit.

Fish · 02-16-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

I don't need to. He led a team to 11-5 (the first 11-5 team to ever miss the playoffs if I'm correct). We don't need to speak in hypotheticals.

Trent Dilfer also lead a team to the SB.

But you know the difference between the Dilfer and Cassel?

Dilfer signed a contract the next season to be a backup to Hasselbeck.
Cassel signed a contract making him the 3rd highest paid QB.

Hypothetically.....

MoreLemonPledge · 02-16-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're too chickenshit to argue your point.

I'm GIVING you talented teams. You're excuse is he has no talent around him.

So, pick a team.

Do YOU think Matt Cassel is capable of winning a championship on one (again, YOUR choice, since you want to make excuses) of the 2009 playoff teams?

It's really not that hard, but I can see why you wouldn't want to answer.

Mainly, because you're full of shit.

What's the point? It's all hypothetical. One team won the Superbowl last year. Not Roethlisberger, not Brady, not Rivers, not Schaub, not Palmer, not Rodgers, not Favre, not either Manning, etc.

One team won it. Only one. By your logic (a 2009 SB win) I could place Cassel with all of those QBs listed above. I'm not that naive.

What you can judge Cassel by is what he's already done. Fact is, he's led a team to a playoff-appearance worthy season and exceeded everyone's expectations.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

What's the point? It's all hypothetical. One team won the Superbowl last year. Not Roethlisberger, not Brady, not Rivers, not Schaub, not Palmer, not Rodgers, not Favre, not either Manning, etc.

One team won it. Only one. By your logic (a 2009 SB win) I could place Cassel with all of those QBs listed above. I'm not that naive.

What you can judge Cassel by is what he's already done. Fact is, he's led a team to a playoff-appearance worthy season and exceeded everyone's expectations.

What a ****ing coward.

You're built-in excuse is that he has no talent to help, and you can't even make a claim that he could win a playoff game on a talented team.

You have no problem talking in hypotheticals - "He'll be better when he's surrounded by more talent" - yet you can't bring yourself to say he's capable of winning a championship in a hypothetical situation.

I'm gift-wrapping a scenario for you to say "Matt Cassel could win a Super Bowl under these conditions," and you can't do it.

That's our "Franchise QB," folks.

Pathetisad.

MoreLemonPledge · 02-16-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

What a ****ing coward.

You're built-in excuse is that he has no talent to help, and you can't even make a claim that he could win a playoff game on a talented team.

I'm gift-wrapping a scenario for you to say "Matt Cassel could win a Super Bowl under these conditions," and you can't do it.

Pathetisad.

It's a loaded question. I can't answer it. You know I can't answer it. Nobody could realistically answer it. I don't understand what point you're trying to prove.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-16-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

It's a loaded question. I can't answer it. You know I can't answer it. Nobody could realistically answer it. I don't understand what point you're trying to prove.

It's not a loaded question at all, and is very easy to answer.

Here, I'll do it.

Put Cassel on any of the 2009 playoff teams, and I don't think any of them win a single playoff game.

You can answer it, you're choosing not too, because you're going to look reeruned either way.

If you answer yes, you're going to get laughed at even more than you already are, and if you say no, your entire argument is flushed down the toilet.

That's what you get for defending a shitty QB.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-16-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

It's not a simple yes or no answer.

Can Jamaal Charles rush for 2000 yards? Yes or no.

Can Brandon Flowers get 10 INTs? Yes or no.

There are a lot of variables at play. Obviously he could not do that with the team that we have right now, no. No quarterback could. It's a loaded question.

God Damn You; there's a huge difference between consistent flashes of legitimacy versus a burning question mark for high $$$ in the case of Cassel.

Please, for the love of all that is Holy; wake up or shut up. Please.

02-16-2010, 12:34 PM
RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $3046954	Cassel Third Highest Paid QB In 2010 Cassel's contract puts more pressure on 2010 season Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 16, 2010 1:28 PM ET Chiefs fans looking to raise their blood pressure should check out today's article in the Kansas City Star regarding Matt Cassel's contract. We knew Cassel's total contract figures, but the some of the front-loaded numbers in the deal are eye-opening. Cassel's $11.75 million base salary in 2010 ranks third among NFL quarterbacks. The Chiefs brass says they fully believe in Cassel, and they know better than anyone how awful their offensive line and receivers played last season. With that said, Cassel is getting paid like a top-five quarterback. We wonder if he must start producing like one to stay in Kansas City past 2010. Cassel is due a raise to $12.25 million in 2011, including a $7.5 million option bonus. That kind of option is a checkpoint in the contract -- a time to get out. If we had to bet on it today, we'd guess Cassel stays in Kansas City in 2011 and beyond. But the guy has to show some progress on the field. Another rough season, and the best option for the Chiefs will be to move on.
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