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**dirk digler** · 03-16-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Either take the QB or trade down.

I don't mind taking Clausen but if Berry is there no way should we trade down.

Brock · 03-16-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I don't mind taking Clausen but if Berry is there no way should we trade down.

There's a lot of groupthink going on about this guy, similar to Derrick Johnson. I'm betting the other way.

**DeezNutz** · 03-16-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

There's a lot of groupthink going on about this guy, similar to Derrick Johnson. I'm betting the other way.

Taking the field is assures you of the best odds, no doubt, but it's tough to argue against the empirical evidence amassed in Berry's college career.

And he does NOT have the type of shortcoming that trailed Johnson out of Texas.

Not saying the kid is perfect--I agree the hype is getting too large--but he's a legit, elite prospect for sure.

**dirk digler** · 03-16-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

There's a lot of groupthink going on about this guy, similar to Derrick Johnson. I'm betting the other way.

We are in desperate need of playmakers and to pass one up I think is crazy.

**jAZ** · 03-16-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Either take the QB or trade down.

How rarely we agree. But in this case, 100%.

**DeezNutz** · 03-16-2010, 10:27 AM

Clausen
Berry

Next guy. Drop down enough and Williams makes a lot of sense.

Dayze · 03-16-2010, 10:28 AM

the thread title should read "The Chiefs Will Never Draft a Playmaker"

I can't recall the last playmaker the Chiefs drafted (sorry true fans, I don't consider TG a playmaker. Or the TE position in general)

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-16-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

the thread title should read "The Chiefs Will Never Draft a Playmaker"

I can't recall the last playmaker the Chiefs drafted (sorry true fans, I don't consider TG a playmaker. Or the TE position in general)

Jared Allen, who they fell backasswards into - they drafted him to be a long snapper.

Derrick Thomas.

20 years of fail.

Dayze · 03-16-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Jared Allen, who they fell backasswards into - they drafted him to be a long snapper.

Derrick Thomas.

20 years of fail.

Allen...yep. I spaced that one. and good point about him being drafted as a LS. JFC...this team drives me nuts.

yeah, after DT, I can't recall any.

**DeezNutz** · 03-16-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Jared Allen, who they fell backasswards into - they drafted him to be a long snapper.

Derrick Thomas.

20 years of fail.

Gonzo has to be in the discussion.

I don't care that he was a TE. He was used more similarly to that of a possession WR, and the dude consistently moved the chains on third down, the most critical *plays* in a drive.

Now, do I think that the TE, even a transcendent one like Gonzo, should be a cornerstone? No. But that's a different debate entirely.

Bottom line is that Gonzo had a profound impact on games, and I think too often the best players are undervalued because of larger issues of incompetency in the organization.

Dayze · 03-16-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Gonzo has to be in the discussion.

I don't care that he was a TE. He was used more similarly to that of a possession WR, and the dude consistently moved the chains on third down, the most critical *plays* in a drive.

Now, do I think that the TE, even a transcendent one like Gonzo, should be a cornerstone? No. But that's a different debate entirely.

Bottom line is that Gonzo had a profound impact on games, and I think too often the best players are undervalued because of larger issues of incompetency in the organization.

I agree he was a great player; but I just have a slightly different view on what a playmaker is. For me a playmaker is someone who can impact/win the game on a single play. TG was great, but aside from snagging a tough 3rd down catch, or a TD pass in the red zone....
I dunno. playmaker to me has that *boom* factor; where you're watchign the game and BOOM; he breaks it/intercepts it/ sacks anf forces fumble / launches a perfect 40yd pass in tight coverage etc.

Good point about the cornerstone issue; you're right. that's a whole other bal of wax.

**DeezNutz** · 03-16-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

I agree he was a great player; but I just have a slightly different view on what a playmaker is. For me a playmaker is someone who can impact/win the game on a single play. TG was great, but aside from snagging a tough 3rd down catch, or a TD pass in the red zone....
I dunno. playmaker to me has that *boom* factor; where you're watchign the game and BOOM; he breaks it/intercepts it/ sacks anf forces fumble / launches a perfect 40yd pass in tight coverage etc.

Good point about the cornerstone issue; you're right. that's a whole other bal of wax.

While I understand, too much importance is being paid to the home run.

Example, what's the difference between a guy like Reed intercepting a pass, taking a knee, thus icing the game, or a guy like Gonzo going over the middle, making a difficult catch in traffic, moving the chains, buring more time, thus icing the game?

Playmaker to me = enormous impact. Not a facilitator. Which is why we don't ever talk about playmaking LTs. They're "franchise" LTs. Important distinction.

**dirk digler** · 03-16-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Gonzo has to be in the discussion.

I don't care that he was a TE. He was used more similarly to that of a possession WR, and the dude consistently moved the chains on third down, the most critical *plays* in a drive.

Now, do I think that the TE, even a transcendent one like Gonzo, should be a cornerstone? No. But that's a different debate entirely.

Bottom line is that Gonzo had a profound impact on games, and I think too often the best players are undervalued because of larger issues of incompetency in the organization.

Totally agree. Tony wasn't your prototypical TE. I also would consider a guy like Shannon Sharpe a playmaker.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-16-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Gonzo has to be in the discussion.

I don't care that he was a TE. He was used more similarly to that of a possession WR, and the dude consistently moved the chains on third down, the most critical *plays* in a drive.

Now, do I think that the TE, even a transcendent one like Gonzo, should be a cornerstone? No. But that's a different debate entirely.

Bottom line is that Gonzo had a profound impact on games, and I think too often the best players are undervalued because of larger issues of incompetency in the organization.

I made the point about playmakers in the past 20 years, and I included him.

Sadly, that he makes 3. In 20 years.

**DeezNutz** · 03-16-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I made the point about playmakers in the past 20 years, and I included him.

Sadly, that he makes 3. In 20 years.

Missed that.

I clearly Piolied up.

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