Who should we draft 1st?

[KCChiefsMan]

who should it be?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its worst than status quo, Pioli made moves last year that would make Carl look like a HOF GM.

Pretty much...

"I love this time of year when teams make cuts, evaluate blah blah blah"

Claims guy from Patriots as the 1 move.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Most of the people who absolutely despise Cassel would be a lot more patient with a rookie QB.

28 year olds don't get the same time or patience as rookies do that's completely different. You move on a guy Cassel's age that's a win now player, he's expected to be good right now.

That's basically comparing apples to oranges, if Sanchez plays 6 years and never improves then that's a problem.

Cassel has played 2 seasons. He has 2 seasons of wear on his body, 2 seasons of actual experience.

It's not unheard of for QBs to play well into their late 30's, and he's not a guy who's been starting since he was 21. He could easily play for another 10 years. The age thing is irrelevant.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Suh would be a waste of a pick. He's not a NT and we already drafted two 3-4 DEs. And I don't see us going to a 4-3 if we draft him.

I disagree. Suh would be an outstanding choice, and imo would turn this defense around.

He'd only be a waste if the Chiefs stuck with both Dorsey, and TJ. Then it wouldn't make sense to draft him. But if they drafted him I couldn't see that happening. Dorsey would be expendible and I'd expect the Chiefs to trade him.

But, I will say, I'd pick Suh only because I feel or believe he is a better player and fit than Dorsey. So if they drafted him, I think Dorsey could possibly be the odd man out.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

No, but there's actually a guy that will be there that's a legit player and a player of glaring need on this team.

And I completely agree that Berry should be the pick, hence why I said that I wouldn't be surprised to see it, even though I wouldn't agree with it. I'm just trying to steer the conversation toward a scenario that could actually happen.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Cassel has played 2 seasons. He has 2 seasons of wear on his body, 2 seasons of actual experience.

It's not unheard of for QBs to play well into their late 30's, and he's not a guy who's been starting since he was 21. He could easily play for another 10 years. The age thing is irrelevant.

There is something wrong....when you never start in your college career.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't even get your argument, what is it?

Hey we traded for Cassel but we might draft a QB someday!

are you kidding me? my argument is that you are assuming that pioli will never draft a qb high. so far theres nothing to back up your claim. he traded for cassel. got a fairly good deal if cassel works out. if not he made the contract where he could get away from the guy. THAT should say something about how patient pioli will be with this situation. if he was tied to him why not backload the contract? why make it be essentially the same as 2 years of the franchise tag?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by RedThat

I disagree. Suh would be an outstanding choice, and imo would turn this defense around.

He'd only be a waste if the Chiefs stuck with both Dorsey, and TJ. Then it wouldn't make sense to draft him. But if they drafted him I couldn't see that happening. Dorsey would be expendible and I'd expect the Chiefs to trade him.

But, I will say, I'd pick Suh only because I feel or believe he is a better player and fit than Dorsey. So if they drafted him, I think Dorsey could possibly be the odd man out.

So let's take one person to make another one a wasted pick. FFS.....

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Cassel has played 2 seasons. He has 2 seasons of wear on his body, 2 seasons of actual experience.

It's not unheard of for QBs to play well into their late 30's, and he's not a guy who's been starting since he was 21. He could easily play for another 10 years. The age thing is irrelevant.

Now you're argument is stupid if you're going to argue Cassel is a rookie why wouldn't you draft the guy who's really a rookie?

What the **** do you think the guy is Chris Weinke?

This is frankly a double sided argument, he is not a rookie and the age is not irrelevant no matter how bad some people want it to be.

If that's really you're argument then our GM is even dumber than first thought.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

There is something wrong....when you never start in your college career.

not when you back up 2 heisman winners and one of them was the runner up another year IIRC:

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

are you kidding me? my argument is that you are assuming that pioli will never draft a qb high. so far theres nothing to back up your claim. he traded for cassel. got a fairly good deal if cassel works out. if not he made the contract where he could get away from the guy. THAT should say something about how patient pioli will be with this situation. if he was tied to him why not backload the contract? why make it be essentially the same as 2 years of the franchise tag?

Right now that deal sucks, we got a shitty QB, a broke dick LB and took a shitty end with a top 3 pick.

Hold me back.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

There is something wrong....when you never start in your college career.

Yeah, he picked the wrong school or was extremely unlucky. He happened to play behind two Heisman trophy winners.

[Mecca]

Cassel was suppose to be out Leinart...he didn't, that should tell you something.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So let's take one person to make another one a wasted pick. FFS.....

Well, if Suh could improve your team a heck of a lot better and then knowing that there is a great chance the Chiefs will get good value in return for a young Glenn dorsey, I don't see anything wrong with that.

[LaChapelle]

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Cassel has played 2 seasons. He has 2 seasons of wear on his body, 2 seasons of actual experience.

It's not unheard of for QBs to play well into their late 30's, and he's not a guy who's been starting since he was 21. He could easily play for another 10 years. The age thing is irrelevant.

A sophmore slump
interesting

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

not when you back up 2 heisman winners and one of them was the runner up another year IIRC:

Interesting shit here.

Cassel spent his entire Trojan career as a backup behind Heisman Trophy winners Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart. Cassel was the backup for Palmer during his Heisman-winning 2002 season. In the fall, Cassel lost the battle for the starting position to the previous third-string quarterback in Leinart. As a result of Leinart's success, Cassel spent time at tight end and wide receiver in 2003, and some special teams that year. He started at halfback against California once as well, even making his lone collegiate start at that position. During his four seasons there, Cassel completed 19 of 33 passes for 192 yards, with no touchdowns and one interception.

Despite having had little chance to demonstrate his skills in actual game situations at USC, Cassel earned himself a place on several NFL teams' draft boards after working out at USC's 2005 Pro Day. One of Cassel's coaches, Norm Chow, who had left USC to become the offensive coordinator for the Tennessee Titans, had discussed signing Cassel as an undrafted free agent after the 2005 NFL Draft; Chow was surprised to learn the Patriots had drafted Cassel in the seventh round, with the 230th overall pick,ahead of more accomplished college quarterbacks such as Timmy Chang and 2003 Heisman trophy winner Jason White.