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Titty Meat · 04-12-2010, 02:24 PM

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**The Bad Guy** · 04-12-2010, 06:12 PM

Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed were also selected so late because safety 7-8 years ago was viewed as a luxury pick. The NFL has changed. The secondary has been restricted incredibly making the need to get solid cover guys in the secondary very important.

Mecca · 04-12-2010, 06:13 PM

Look man it's a nice safety class but the idea that guys like Robert Johnson and Myron Rolle can get it done is a little bit much.

Rolle might have a place in the league as a SS that plays in the box because he's a good tackler, but in coverage he needs tons of help he can't play in any kind of man scheme.

Titty Meat · 04-12-2010, 06:14 PM

Nobody has addressed why the Redskins wouldn't just sign Adams then draft a RT and a guard.

Mecca · 04-12-2010, 06:16 PM

Probably because Adams isn't very good anymore...it's also going to be extremely difficult for them to fill many spots when they literally have 3 picks.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-12-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Ed Reed was selected at #24 and Polamalu at #16. And they are the best of their generation. Selected by teams who had most of the other key roster spots filled and could take a chance on using a first round pick on a safety. It's what good teams do.

While the importance of having a quality safety has increased since the pass interference rule enforcement after the 2004 season, it is still considered a support position that is the least important position on the defensive side of the ball.

While Eric Berry is an incredible athlete, he did nothing more statistically in his best season than a guy like Earl Thomas or Morgan Burnett did at the same position. A safety is basically limited to the number of opportunities that they are going to get in a game. Look at the numbers of the top safeties in the NFL. Their statistics are all virtually the same. The position caps itself in terms of production.

I don't know if by selecting Berry in round one that you get much if anything in terms of the position over say a guy like Robert Johnson in round five.

That's the problem with drafting a safety that high in the draft, and why you don't see many teams do it. Yes, I think that Berry has freakish athleticism, and has exceptional versatility in terms of what he brings to a defensive backfield. He is big enough, fast enough, athletic enough, instinctive enough to play any position in the backfield. In terms of giving you want you want out of his position, he's every bit the player as Bradford, Suh or Okung. Maybe even more. However, it's the position itself that is really going to make a GM/FO/Coach hesitate in terms of drafting him with a top ten pick, let alone a top five pick.

If Okung isn't available, I hope the Chiefs draft Berry. He'd be a better alternative than someone like Bryan Bulaga, Trent Williams or god forbid Dan Williams at that spot based on his athletic potential, college production and versatility alone. However, if they did pass on Berry, but picked up a guy like Morgan Burnett in the second, Darrell Stuckey in the third or a guy like Johnson or Myron Rolle in the fifth, I wouldn't be totally bummed out. They'd all offer the Chiefs an improved secondary.

In addition, you have to think about what the Chiefs want to do with Jarrad Page. Is he the free safety and do they then look at possible strong safeties? Or do they move him over to strong safety and draft a guy like Berry for the FS spot? Is a guy like Dajuan Morgan ready to turn the corner? Here's a third round draftee who's been with the team two seasons and was considered a versatile safety that could play a number of backfield positions.

I know that many people want and expect the Chiefs to draft Berry, but there are a lot of questions about that position as it relates to the Chiefs and the #5 pick.

Wow. You'd take Okung over Berry? And you wonder why so many people around here give you shit for being a ****ing moron...think before you type...
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Titty Meat · 04-12-2010, 06:17 PM

They have four. You could get a guy like Ciron Black in the fourth and a guy like Johnson in the fifth.

Mecca · 04-12-2010, 06:18 PM

Dude he's one of the OL people, he thinks Okung is going to be Walter Jones.

aturnis · 04-12-2010, 06:22 PM

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And use a much less valuable draft pick in doing so.

Kyle Calloway (Iowa) and Chris Scott (Tennessee) would both fit nicely with one of our 5th round picks - and start on day one.

As much as I love the guy as a Iowa fan, and know he'd be MUCH better than any RT on our roster from day one. I don't think Calloway is suited for the zone blocking scheme.

aturnis · 04-12-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Ed Reed and Troy Polamlu say hello.

The post you quoted says you're a ****ing reerun. Again.

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Really? I will never understand how you guys think the one position that separates a winning season from a losing season is safety. Safety isn't even the most important position on the defense let alone an entire team.

Will Berry be good? Yes, he will be a starter in this league. Will he be a superstar? Who knows. Will he have a HUGE impact for the team he plays for? Not many safety's do, so his chances of that are slim, he has the tools to take advantage of those chances, but there's a lot working against him.

So you just reaffirmed that you possess two solid examples of great safety's. One of which plays a completely different type of football than Berry.

Titty Meat · 04-12-2010, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

The post you quoted says you're a ****ing reerun. Again.

So you just reaffirmed that you possess two solid examples of great safety's. One of which plays a completely different type of football than Berry.

lol wut? Berry can play in the box and can also play center field like Reed. Just another CP member that doesn't watch college football.

aturnis · 04-12-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed were also selected so late because safety 7-8 years ago was viewed as a luxury pick. The NFL has changed. The secondary has been restricted incredibly making the need to get solid cover guys in the secondary very important.

You can say that all you want, doesn't make it true. Is a safety now more valuable? Sure, but not top 5 valuable.

Mecca · 04-12-2010, 06:50 PM

So what is you're argument, to draft a right tackle?

Titty Meat · 04-12-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So what is you're argument, to draft a right tackle?

Who you talking to?

Mecca · 04-12-2010, 06:54 PM

Aturnis is basically arguing to not take Berry because of his position, so what does he want to do?

Lets value position over player again, I want some more Tyson Jacksons.

aturnis · 04-12-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So what is you're argument, to draft a right tackle?

You asking my or Bilgay?

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The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed were also selected so late because safety 7-8 years ago was viewed as a luxury pick. The NFL has changed. The secondary has been restricted incredibly making the need to get solid cover guys in the secondary very important. __________________
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-502950	Look man it's a nice safety class but the idea that guys like Robert Johnson and Myron Rolle can get it done is a little bit much. Rolle might have a place in the league as a SS that plays in the box because he's a good tackler, but in coverage he needs tons of help he can't play in any kind of man scheme.
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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-992442	Nobody has addressed why the Redskins wouldn't just sign Adams then draft a RT and a guard.
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04-12-2010, 06:16 PM	#49
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-502950	Probably because Adams isn't very good anymore...it's also going to be extremely difficult for them to fill many spots when they literally have 3 picks.
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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-992442	They have four. You could get a guy like Ciron Black in the fourth and a guy like Johnson in the fifth.
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04-12-2010, 06:18 PM	#52
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-502950	Dude he's one of the OL people, he thinks Okung is going to be Walter Jones.
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04-12-2010, 06:50 PM	#57
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-502950	So what is you're argument, to draft a right tackle?
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04-12-2010, 06:54 PM	#59
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-502950	Aturnis is basically arguing to not take Berry because of his position, so what does he want to do? Lets value position over player again, I want some more Tyson Jacksons.
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