Chiefs Ted Ginn on the block - Page 11

**The Bad Guy** · 04-13-2010, 12:34 PM

I think he would fit extremely nicely as a slot receiver/KR/PR. I imagine the Tuna would require a 4th or maybe even 2 of our 5ths. Would you pull the trigger?

Sure-Oz · 04-14-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

While I'm not a fan of giving up picks, I'm assuming it'd be cheap to get this guy.

Lawerence was drafted to be our return guy but never panned out in that spot either. It's not like whoever we draft mid to late is a for sure return guy. Sometimes they just don't cut it.

We wouldn't be asking Ginn to even be our #1 or #2 WR. He'd be a nickle guy at best with speed which this team desperately needs. And most of all, we've have a very good (not average) return man.

I think it's worth looking into.

The guy drops too many passes though, speed isn't everything

CoMoChief · 04-14-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'd rather use a 5th round pick on a guy like Eric Olsen or George Selvie - guys with upside, not a guy that's not an elite or even special returner and a guy that drops more balls in the receiving game than Dwayne Bowe.

This draft has 50 guys with a first round grade. That means that there will be plenty of talent that can help the Chiefs in the fifth round, guys that should have been in the fourth and maybe even a few in the third.

Draft picks are very valuable this year and to give one up, you'd better get a special player in return.

Ginn is NOT special.

Furthermore, why would anyone consider giving up a 5th round pick for a guy that touches the ball less than 10 times a game?

Because starting out at the 35+ yd line is better than the 15-20.......we don't have anyone who can return kickoffs.

And Selvie and Olsen could still be drafted since........we have 3 5th rd picks.

suds79 · 04-14-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

The guy drops too many passes though, speed isn't everything

So you're saying he's like Dwayne Bowe then with speed. :P

Fair enough. I'm not going to pretend like I've been following his career closely.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-14-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

And Selvie and Olsen could still be drafted since........we have 3 5th rd picks.

And that's my point: You can find players in the 5th round that play 50-60 snaps per game, not 10.

Ginn is nothing special - he's just a guy.

I'd rather see the Chiefs draft Mardy Gilyard with their 3rd round pick. He's a guy than can contribute in the return game and as a #3 receiver.

Ginn can't.

nychief · 04-14-2010, 11:50 AM

if you can get him for a song.... sure... a 7th next year or something.... but otherwise, lets bring in our own disappointments via the draft.

Sure-Oz · 04-14-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

So you're saying he's like Dwayne Bowe then with speed. :P

Fair enough. I'm not going to pretend like I've been following his career closely.

I have followed it enough and seen some of his games to know he wasn't visible and dropped some key passes. He wasn't even worth a late round fantasy flyer and id def bring him in for a look if he was released and see if he is worth a shot but not for a pick.

Micjones · 04-14-2010, 12:37 PM

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I swear Man, the Chiefs could sign HeHateMe and you'd tell us he was the second coming of Jim Brown.

When all else fails... Smilies and straw arguments to the rescue!
Brilliant. Thanks again for sharing such a wealth of NFL knowledge with the rest of us.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-14-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

When all else fails... Smilies and straw arguments to the rescue!
Brilliant. Thanks again for sharing such a wealth of NFL knowledge with the rest of us.

OH, just **** off.

Nearly everyone in this thread agrees with me: Ted Ginn is NOTHING special, nor has he been anything other than AVERAGE in his NFL career.

Giving up a draft pick, especially in this year's draft, is ****ing asinine.

Just like you and your stupid, ****ing personnel opinions.

Which again, is why I'm NOT surprised you endorse this idea.

Par for the course.

**The Franchise** · 04-14-2010, 12:47 PM

I'd give up a 6th or 7th for him. But we don't have one of those. You know....Jake O'Connell and shit.

Sure-Oz · 04-14-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

OH, just **** off.

Nearly everyone in this thread agrees with me: Ted Ginn is NOTHING special, nor has he been anything other than AVERAGE in his NFL career.

Giving up a draft pick, especially in this year's draft, is ****ing asinine.

Just like you and your stupid, ****ing personnel opinions.

Which again, is why I'm NOT surprised you endorse this idea.

Par for the course.

Bob Fescoe was talking about maybe even giving up a pick higher than a 5 or multiple 5's for him. I should've known then the chiefs are better suited to not trade any picks.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-14-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'd give up a 6th or 7th for him. But we don't have one of those. You know....Jake O'Connell and shit.

You mean shit like Nsukwe and Alleman?

Yep, they're all shit.

And even if the Chiefs HAD a 7th this year, I wouldn't give it up. Giving up a pick for essentially a one-dimensional player that's maxed out and would touch the ball 5-8 times a game is ludicrous.

Especially in THIS draft.

MOhillbilly · 04-14-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They're like clockwork, banging on my door everyday at 5:30, waiting for a walk. They're more precise with time than any clock I've ever owned.

pitbulls are better. mine lays around till i get up then i let her out.
Then she KILLS everything she sees.

**Bowser** · 04-14-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

pitbulls are better. mine lays around till i get up then i let her out.
Then she KILLS everything she sees.

Well, sure she does. She's pissed that she had to wait on you to drag out of bed before she could take her morning dump.

**Bowser** · 04-14-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'd give up a 6th or 7th for him. But we don't have one of those. You know....Jake O'Connell and shit.

We should trade O'Connell for Ginn.

Wilson8 · 04-14-2010, 01:33 PM

Ginn is a good kick-off return man. He was 5th in the NFL last year.. He hasn't been used much for punt returns the last two years. Miami used Davone Bess for that duty. Ted returned 24 punts in 2007.

Some return stats for 2009…

KC’s Bobby Wade returned 21 punts for 160 yards, 7.6 yard average and 19 fair catches. His longest return was 18 yards.

Cleveland’s Josh Cribbs returned 38 punts for 452 yards for a 11.9 average. He also had 3 fair catches. His longest was 67 yards and he had 1 TD.

Miami’s Davone Bess returned 28 punts for 209 yards to give him a 7.5 yard average. He also had 13 fair catches. His longest return was 22 yards.

Ted Ginn Jr. returned 5 punts for 28 yards for a 5.6 yard average. He also had 52 Kick-offs for 1296 yards and 2 TDs.

KC really needs a return man for punts.

If KC thinks that Ginn could handle punts and kick-offs then he might be worth a low round draft pick.

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04-14-2010, 01:33 PM	#165
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3587557	Ginn is a good kick-off return man. He was 5th in the NFL last year.. He hasn't been used much for punt returns the last two years. Miami used Davone Bess for that duty. Ted returned 24 punts in 2007. Some return stats for 2009… KC’s Bobby Wade returned 21 punts for 160 yards, 7.6 yard average and 19 fair catches. His longest return was 18 yards. Cleveland’s Josh Cribbs returned 38 punts for 452 yards for a 11.9 average. He also had 3 fair catches. His longest was 67 yards and he had 1 TD. Miami’s Davone Bess returned 28 punts for 209 yards to give him a 7.5 yard average. He also had 13 fair catches. His longest return was 22 yards. Ted Ginn Jr. returned 5 punts for 28 yards for a 5.6 yard average. He also had 52 Kick-offs for 1296 yards and 2 TDs. KC really needs a return man for punts. If KC thinks that Ginn could handle punts and kick-offs then he might be worth a low round draft pick.
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