Chiefs Are 'Badly' Trying To Trade Down To Middle Of First Round

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Chiefs Are 'Badly' Trying To Trade Down To Middle Of First*Round

by Joel Thorman on Apr 18, 2010 10:34 AM CDT in 2010 Campaign

Last year about this time, Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post first reported that the Chiefs were "in love" with LSU DE Tyson Jackson. A few days later and Jackson was the Chiefs pick in the draft.

Now Lombardi reports that the Chiefs are trying like hell to move down in the draft.

"The Chiefs are trying, and I mean really trying, to move down," Lombardi reports. "My sources tell me they'll be willing to go down as far as 15 for the right deal because they feel they can find a player in that range."

It's a fine line between trading down and trading down too far. According to Lombardi, our theory of the Eagles offering up the 24th and 37th picks for the Chiefs fifth pick doesn't look like it's happening. By staying around 15, they can still have a shot at a game changer -- Alabama LB Rolando McClain and Texas S Earl Thomas come to mind here -- as well as picking up extra selections.

That said, who's the Chiefs trading partner? SB Nation's Mocking The Draft takes an excellent look at this situation and comes to the conclusion that San Francisco might be the only team in that area that has a chance of moving up.

Lombardi reports the Chiefs are hoping someone wants to get in line to pick Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

I don't usually wade into these discussions because I'll admit I don't work in the NFL and only have fan experience. I see the argument this way.

Those that want Berry believe he's a can't miss pick and will be an anchor on defense for 10 years. I'm guessing you'll give him 1 rookie year to make mistakes but after that he better be pretty close to pro-bowl guy. Especially with the money he'll get.

Those that want pickle boy believe Cassel will never amount to a playoff win. Valid argument. But I think if you choose Clausen you must also admit to the fact the Chiefs will give Cassel two more years to prove himself, unless of course he starts peeling wallpaper off of Arrowhead and eating it. Thus Clausen will only really get true NFL experience in a year and a half at the earliest, with the exception of an injury to Cassel. If given time to throw Cassel will get that much time to pass/fail in the Haley/Pioli environment. Plus Clausen makes pro-bowl guy money while sitting on the bench.

Those that want to trade down believe the core of the team is more important than 'one guy'. You don't believe Berry or Clausen's talents will take the Chiefs to the playoffs any sooner than trading down and getting one or two more early round picks.

Those that believe we should pick an OL because it all starts there.

So here are my choices given those options.....

1) Trade down and use the first two or three picks on defense. I think Croyle is a match stick waiting for someone to break him so you draft a QB you've scouted probably no sooner than the third round. I'm a firm believer defense is what takes you to the playoffs so sue me.

2) Berry. I've read enough posts to think he's the real deal and will be a solid anchor. The reason this is my second choice is because I wanted Curry last year and realize liking a pick too much isn't necessarily the right choice.

3) Clausen. I don't actually get why people think he's a good 5th pick knowing we've already sold out on Cassel but enough of you like him to sway me. If we pick him and he fails I'll haunt everyone that swayed me.

4) OL. Draft a good prospect in the 2nd or 3rd round. We've added some depth (arguably) during the offseason so this shouldn't be our primary concern until Albert is given one more year at LT.

Flame away but remember we're all on the Chief's payroll at the same salary.

Who are you and what is up with this football take?

I am all for Berry or Clausen. I am not much in favor of trading down but I understand if it happened because this team has alot of holes we could plug 4 of them in rounds 1 & 2.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i can agree with this post. i think he will be better but i wont bitch if our pick is clausen for a backup plan.
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I'll be shocked if Clausen is the choice at #5.

That said, I think they might pull a 2000 Bill Parcells and trade down so many times they end up with four first rounders.

That year, they got Pennington, Abraham, Shaun Ellis and Anthony Becht in the first round.

Becht was the only player of the three to disappoint.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

What it really means is that they think the cost/value ratio in the 10-15 range is better than at the 5 spot. In other words, the quality of players they expect to hvae available at the 5 spot isn't that much better than in the 10-15 range -- and certainly not enough to offset the dramatically higher price tag that the 5 pick will carry.

Completely agree.

Teams like Pitt, NE, and the Eagles are competitive year after year (including SB runs) because of their ability to find talent outside the top 10 picks CONSISTENTLY...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

How long did it take you to distrust Herm's judgment?

From a personnel side, Herm was pretty good. Don't know why he continues to get shit when it seems pretty clear that he made quite a few good moves despite a shitty GM going over his head and despite limited money to spend on guys he wanted.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'll be shocked if Clausen is the choice at #5.

That said, I think they might pull a 2000 Bill Parcells and trade down so many times they end up with four first rounders.

That year, they got Pennington, Abraham, Shaun Ellis and Anthony Becht in the first round.

Becht was the only player of the three to disappoint.

Jets didn't trade down that year. They got a pick from Pats for getting Belichick and two from Bucs for Keyshawn, and one of those was from the Chargers for drafting Bryan Still a POS receiver.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

From a personnel side, Herm was pretty good. Don't know why he continues to get shit when it seems pretty clear that he made quite a few good moves despite a shitty GM going over his head and despite limited money to spend on guys he wanted.

Herm did a pretty fine job of drafting. ESPECIALLY in comparison to Vermiel.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Jets didn't trade down that year. They got a pick from Pats for getting Belichick and two from Bucs for Keyshawn, and one of those was from the Chargers for drafting Bryan Still a POS receiver.

Oh, it that what it was? I didn't remember all of that. Thanks!

[RedThat]

I've always believed in trading down.

I think it's a very effective strategy. Stockpiling draft picks is a great idea for a team in desperate need of addressing various holes on their roster. If the Chiefs trade down and could get a possible 1st rounder for next year, or even a couple of other picks..i.e, a 2nd, 3rd or 4th. No complains from me. Why complain? If they could set themselves up in a good position for next year, it just represents another created opportunity to make the team better.

In fact, trading down creates more of an opportunity to improve your overall team imo.

[el borracho]

If I were GM, I would be willing to trade down only if given a king's ransom. I would presume that would be more difficult to accomplish prior to the draft because teams won't know today who will actually be available on draft day. If we do trade down, we would be better off doing it on draft day and sticking it to some team that is in love with a specific player.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by el borracho

If I were GM, I would be willing to trade down only if given a king's ransom. I would presume that would be more difficult to accomplish prior to the draft because teams won't know today who will actually be available on draft day. If we do trade down, we would be better off doing it on draft day and sticking it to some team that is in love with a specific player.

uummmm ok. ANY trade down beyond pick one would be done on draft day.
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[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by RedThat

I've always believed in trading down.

I think it's a very effective strategy. Stockpiling draft picks is a great idea for a team in desperate need of addressing various holes on their roster. If the Chiefs trade down and could get a possible 1st rounder for next year, or even a couple of other picks..i.e, a 2nd, 3rd or 4th. No complains from me. Why complain? If they could set themselves up in a good position for next year, it just represents another created opportunity to make the team better.

In fact, trading down creates more of an opportunity to improve your overall team imo.

Yawn.

When does the mantra stop that we need quantity over quality? Have you seen how void of real playmakers this team is?

It just ****ing amazes me that this many fans believe that trading down every year is the best way to go about things.

Teams that trade down are generally the teams that have a lot of top end talent (Eagles, Patriots). The Chiefs can't afford not to get a serious playmaker out of THIS draft.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, it that what it was? I didn't remember all of that. Thanks!

Thats what happened. Sorry I remember stupid shit like that.

[MMXcalibur]

I wouldn't be opposed to a trade down. From what I understand, this is one of the deepest drafts in years, and if we can pick up a mid-1st round and a 2nd/3rd rounder, that's just another solid player to add. Whether we draft Clausen, Berry or trade down, there's a lot of options for us at the #5 position and they all have their positives.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

What it really means is that they think the cost/value ratio in the 10-15 range is better than at the 5 spot. In other words, the quality of players they expect to hvae available at the 5 spot isn't that much better than in the 10-15 range -- and certainly not enough to offset the dramatically higher price tag that the 5 pick will carry.

They're probably right. If we trade down to the middle of the first round, they are going Williams or Cody. I wouldn't be surprised if they drafted Williams at #5 if they can't trade back. If they want one of those two guys, anything they can get to move back and still get their guy at 10-15 is just free money.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Herm did a pretty fine job of drafting. ESPECIALLY in comparison to Vermiel.

Pretty good job? Based on what grading scale?

Just because Vermeil sucked that doesn't give Herm a pass.

He had one draft that was very productive.

His 2006 draft was a pretty big pile of shit. There are just 3 picks from that draft still on the roster - Hali (good pick), Croyle (ehh), Page (good pick considering).
From the 2007 draft, we have TWO players still on the roster - Bowe (good pick), Kolby Smith (nothing great).

Think about that for one second. The 2006 and 2007 drafts gave us just 5 players with only 2 being starters. 2 ****ing players in drafts from 3-4 years ago. That's horrendus.

The 2008 draft was very good. Generally though, having 2 first round picks is a big advantage. Hitting on Flowers and Charles though is big time.

There is a massive myth on here that Herm was a really good drafter for this team.