Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

If I were them, I'd leave Clady at LT and make Beadles your RT. He's been a top notch blindside defender in college and would easily slide over to the right side. They seriously upgraded their offensive line, and added a ton of play makers. Getting Thompson and Cox where they did was unbelievable.

I hate the ****ing Broncos, but they had a fantastic draft.

I think the WR they took in the first sucks. And Tebow was perhaps the biggest reach in the history of the draft.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

There was simply a difference of opinion regarding Okung as it related to the Chiefs. The Drafturbators were fine with Albert. I wasn't. And since Okung played against a lot of guys who were high quality pass rushers and didn't give up a sack to them (Orakpo, Kindle, Sharpe, Miller, etc.), I felt he did a fantastic job of sealing the edge. However, the Seahawks didn't really have anyone at LT. Chiefs had a young guy that hopefully can develop.

Okung to the Seahawks was as good a pick and as necessary a pick as Berry to the Chiefs. Both teams were overjoyed that each were on the board when they picked.

And what you called sealing the edge was, in fact, Okung getting pushed staright back into a QB who was getting rid of the ball far too quickly for Okung to be owned.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Laz

I hope Gosselin is right but i just don't see it.

imo there is no way that McCluster makes up for that fact that our run defense sucks ass.

imo there is no way Arenas improves the return game enough to make up for having bad linebackers in a 3-4 defense.

Yes Laz, you are absolutely right, but, there is a but there, one can also say they will improve our team overall.

McCluster will make the offense better. And Arenas will improve the return game, and I think he will contribute on defense as well. And you and I sure know this team REALLY needed a return man.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by ILChief

I think the WR they took in the first sucks. And Tebow was perhaps the biggest reach in the history of the draft.

No, Tebow was going to go around that spot to someone. He's a Heisman trophy winner, a two time national champion, is physically prototype, and has all those intangibles. It wasn't a reach at all. Considering all the turds that have gone high as quarterbacks, such as Jamarcus Russell with the overall #1, I don't think that Tebow in the late first round is a stretch by any measure. Add to that that they got him for nothing (used the picks that they got from moving down), I think it's a hell of a pick.

And Demaryius Thomas was a legit first rounder by everyone's account. If he played in any other system other than Georgia Tech's wishbone, he would have put up staggering numbers.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by milkman

But Gosselin gave our draft a good grade, and everyone says they'll take his words more than any one else, so, you can't just pick and choose which of his words carry more weight.

go to the walter thread and read your posts
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[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by milkman

And what you called sealing the edge was, in fact, Okung getting pushed staright back into a QB who was getting rid of the ball far too quickly for Okung to be owned.

Don't start. Fact is, he didn't give up a sack to some of the best pass rushers in college, OSU led the Big 12 in rushing and he was a big part of that.

You don't like him. Pete Carroll did.

[orange]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Where was he going to be picked if they didn't snag him at 25?

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

He might have been the steal of the draft but he could have been stolen in the 5th round. McDaniels is a meth head.

Tebow went right where he was expected to go.

NEW YORK -- The hot spot for first-round trade movement? Try the bottom third of the round.

NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock predicted that teams would look to leap frog the Minnesota Vikings with the 30th overall pick for a chance at a quarterback.

That's where Mayock envisions teams such as the Buffalo Bills attempting to trade up from early in the second round to try and snag either former Florida QB Tim Tebow, the 2007 Heisman winner, or Texas QB Colt McCoy, the quarterback with an NCAA-record 45 wins in 53 career starts.

"I think we're going to get a lot more movement in the back third of the first round than we've ever seen,'' Mayock said. "Teams are going to scramble to get the third and fourth quarterbacks, Tebow and McCoy because after them, there's a dropoff.

Maybe you prefer King or Schefter:

Rotoworld:
Interested teams are discussing trades into the "final ten or so picks" of first round for a shot at Tim Tebow, according to SI.com's Peter King.

ESPN's Adam Schefter had an identical report, adding that the more he hears the more he believes Tebow will be a first-rounder. Schefter also expects Colt McCoy and Jimmy Clausen to go off the board in the first round. Denver and Buffalo appear to be the most likely destinations for Tebow.
Source: Peter King on Twitter

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No, Tebow was going to go around that spot to someone. He's a Heisman trophy winner, a two time national champion, is physically prototype, and has all those intangibles. It wasn't a reach at all. Considering all the turds that have gone high as quarterbacks, such as Jamarcus Russell with the overall #1, I don't think that Tebow in the late first round is a stretch by any measure. Add to that that they got him for nothing (used the picks that they got from moving down), I think it's a hell of a pick.

And Demaryius Thomas was a legit first rounder by everyone's account. If he played in any other system other than Georgia Tech's wishbone, he would have put up staggering numbers.

Even if you're correct, I doubt those guys will be better than Cutler and Marshall.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Laz

I hope Gosselin is right but i just don't see it.

imo there is no way that McCluster makes up for that fact that our run defense sucks ass.

imo there is no way Arenas improves the return game enough to make up for having bad linebackers in a 3-4 defense.

I could look at it the other way as well.

There's no way Rookie Linebacker A makes up for the fact that we can't return a kick worth crap, of there's no way Rookie NT B makes up for the fact that Charles is the only guy on our otherwise slow ass offense who can break a big play, and he can't touch the ball on every play.

I don't think this team is in a position where it can pick and choose who it needs at certain spots, because the needs are everywhere. It's like one of those things where you plug one leak and another one springs open.

I think the guys running this show just looked at it and said we need guys like DJ and Studabaker and Dorsey and Jackson to step it up this year on D, but we have no one on O who is going to be able to step it up and provide the skills that maybe McCluster brings to the table. We'll see...

[teedubya]

I want some of what Rick Gosselin is smoking.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

He wouldn't have lasted 10 more picks I know that. I am not trying to hijack this Chiefs thread and turn it into another Tebow thread, but I think Tebow will be in the HOF when all is said and done.

Right next to Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell.

[orange]

Originally Posted by alanm

Right next to Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell.

Yes, because Tim Tebow is just like those two lazy-ass POSs.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by teedubya

I want some of what Rick Gosselin is smoking.

Don't we all...
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[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by alanm

Right next to Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell.

That's a perfect comparison - all the physical intangibles and they don't give one shit about the game.

Tebow loves the game and won't end up in Vegas like those other nitwits did right after they were drafted. At the very least you get a guy who loves to play the game and will work his ass off to make every effort to be a success in the league.

That's what separates Tebow from clown shoes like that. Thank you for making a perfect argument for Tebow versus other QB's that went high in the draft that nobody had a problem taking in their respective drafts.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Lzen

I think some people feel as though they are smarter than Pioli and Haley and could run a draft better. Sure, I was kind of scratching my head with some of those picks. But I think it's completely unfair and quite frankly, moronic to say they had a bad draft when we don't know how these guys will pan out. I have always felt that you can't judge a draft until at least 3-4 years down the road.

I will trust the guys at One Arrowhead for now and take a wait and see approach. I think they at least deserve that.

As for the LB corps and the NT position, I wish we would have addressed those. But I also wonder if they feel that they could not address all of those needs in this on draft. Perhaps we will see a FA or 2 and then they address the LB and NT issue in next year's draft.

To be fair, most CP posters have better access to film, run more private workouts for players, and hire more scouts than the Chiefs do. Most fans also have a better handle on the abilities of the current players and what our new staff thinks they can do with them. I thought that was fairly clear.