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Please explain to me how the "Sideways" are relevant Jack's. We'll start from there. |
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06-19-2010, 02:25 PM | #6062 | |
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Please tell me any dream that you've ever had that was recurring and included a bunch of people that you didn't know, but you got to know over time (a long time). Please tell me why if it was all a "dream" within a split second of time" why Jack dreamed about on island stuff, off island stuff, created characters like Matthew Abaddon, The Economist, Helen, Dave, etc. in his head? |
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So we'll just agree to disagree. You have your take. I've got mine. But, I really am sorry you feel so upset and betrayed. It sucks investing so much time, energy and even money into something that you feel just shit in your hand in return. |
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As I explained earlier, Jack, in a nanosecond, created everything that happened on the island in order to help himself realize that he needed to leave behind the "Man of Science" and become a "Man of Faith" in order for his soul to move on. He came in contact with everyone on the plane either in the airport or on the plane itself. Those people became his portal in which to create a scenario in which he himself reconciles the fact that he needed to change before he could become spiritually enlightened. Now, you don't have to agree with my "theory" but it's silly to dismiss it, especially since I've laid everything out in an entirely plausible scenario. And furthermore, it's much easier to believe my theory than taking the show literally, because there are just too many unexplained phenomena and plot holes to make a convincing argument that "what happened, happened". Why do you think that there wasn't one person on the planet that had the show figured out beforehand? It's because we needed to see the ending matched with the beginning to truly realize what this show was really about. With that said, it doesn't take away from the brilliant acting and the relationships that we as individuals had with the show. It's just that now we know why everything had to happen as it did. |
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That was pretty freakin' overt, at least IMO. |
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Yeah but I lump that into the whole cop out afterlife thing. Seriously, take out that last scene and view the series as a whole. Aside from Christian Shepard - and as people have pointed out, there are lots of names from the other side of the spectrum (Hume, specifically) - there isn't that much which is overt.
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It seemed tacked on and cheesy. |
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I didn't hate the final scene by any means. It certainly didn't feel "tacked on" to me. Seemed like a pretty logical conclusion to what had been set up since 'LA X.'
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And without that "explanation", what are you left with? THAT'S why it's cheesy and poorly done. |
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My problem with Dane's interpretation is that there doesn't seem to be much "textual" evidence for it beyond Jack "landing" and "dying" in what appears to be the same spot on the island. Dane's interpretation makes logical sense when abstracted from the show but I don't see the in-show support for it.
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No offense taken. I totally see where you're coming from. But I wouldn't call it poor writing. Some people think using adverbs is "poor" writing. It's just one way to get there.
And I think had there been less explanatin in that scene, people would have hated it for that reason. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I'm not saying there wasn't a better way to handle it. But it could have been much, much worse as well. |
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1. The Flashbacks mean nothing to Jack's journey. It's just "filler" for the viewer to become familiar with the character(s) but in the "Grand Scheme" of things, the flashbacks really mean nothing to his current state because it had already occurred. 2. *Spoiler* (just for you). The Flash Sideways mean absolutely nothing because it never occurred. It wasn't a flashback or a flash "side". It was a plot device and IMO, completely unnecessary to the plot, the season or the story. They should have used that time instead to further detail the mythology that had integrated into the show from day one. Instead, it was just a waste of time. All that matters is what happened on the Island. That's it. The flashbacks didn't help Jack's journey and the flashsides didn't happen. If you focus on Jack's present, it all becomes clear. |
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