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Old 08-06-2010, 12:41 PM   #1
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It has nothing to do with iPod.

And FTR, iTunes saved Apple's ass, not the other way around. The iTunes service wasn't even conceived by an Apple employee.

One way or another, there was a market wide open for a digital distribution service. BMG offered a monthly subscription service at the beginning of the decade (as did a few others) but no one trusted the record companies.

Rhapsody was another that didn't catch on. Don't pretend like there weren't other companies out there competing to a digital distributor. Napster even went legit and shortly went out of business.

Apple has a trustworthy name, which is huge part of why their system worked and works. Same for Amazon. I've only bought from the iTunes store once and hated the quality and the experience. Since then, I've only ordered from Amazon because I prefer 256kbs files over 128aac's.

Regardless, your "argument" is weak and invalid in 2010. If you can't afford .99 cents for a song or $8.99 for Netflix or $1 for Redbox, you've got much bigger problems in life.
Just a question... But do you not see the problem here?
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:44 PM   #2
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Just a question... But do you not see the problem here?
No
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:51 PM   #3
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I do and can see why the industry is losing money... ON average how many Cd's(records) would you assume that a semi popular artist should sell?
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:54 PM   #4
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I do and can see why the industry is losing money
They're losing money because of people like you. People that think it's "Okay" to obtain a copy of said music or feature film without paying for it.

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ON average how many Cd's(records) would you assume that a semi popular artist should sell?
What does this even mean?

Back before piracy, bands that didn't sell in excess of one million copies per record were likely released from their contract. The profit didn't exceed the expense.

In 2010, outside of the Disney kids and American Idol, big artists are fortunate to sell 500,000 copies, period.

Did you see the stat I provided earlier?

Only 2% of all records released in 2009 sold more than 5,000 copies.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:06 PM   #5
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They're losing money because of people like you. People that think it's "Okay" to obtain a copy of said music or feature film without paying for it..
LOL

You are way to funny... You have zero clue.... But whatever it takes to make you feel much better about this...
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But whatever it takes to make you feel much better about this...
Its you who are rationalizing theft.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:09 PM   #7
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Its you who are rationalizing theft.


I am such a bad person....
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:10 PM   #8
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LOL

You are way to funny... You have zero clue.... But whatever it takes to make you feel much better about this...
Really?

Please explain.

You're mouth-breathing, ****ing moron. Pull your stupid ****ing head out of your ass.
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:51 PM   #9
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Just a question... But do you not see the problem here?
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:02 PM   #10
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Back in the day when an band would release a song, the only way you could get the song is by purchasing a Cassette or whatever right? Most of them would cost around 8-9$ each....

If there were 2 million Cassettes sold. You would be looking at 16-19$ million in revenue - payment to the artists and production costs, etc....

In today's money 2 million would be around 26-27 million for that same artist and his cd.......

Now we can have 2 million people go out and download the hit song for .99$..............

Seems like a lot of revenue lost to me...
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:12 PM   #11
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Back in the day when an band would release a song, the only way you could get the song is by purchasing a Cassette or whatever right? Most of them would cost around 8-9$ each....

If there were 2 million Cassettes sold. You would be looking at 16-19$ million in revenue - payment to the artists and production costs, etc....

In today's money 2 million would be around 26-27 million for that same artist and his cd.......

Now we can have 2 million people go out and download the hit song for .99$..............

Seems like a lot of revenue lost to me...
JFC, go back read the ****ing thread.

You couldn't be more ****ing clueless if you tried.

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You're wrong.

This is a very complex conversation but essentially what happens (or used to happen, before the massive onset of piracy and the changing of the way record labels and publishers do business) is as follows:

1. Band signs record deal. Generally one record with an option for two more. The third record is dependent on the sales of the second record.

2. Band receives a "Recording Fund". This fund is generally no less than $500,000 dollars. From this fund, the band and record label hire a producer who in turns hires an engineer(s) and pays for studio time (likely about $2,000 per day in a "real" studio).

3. Record is completed and the band makes a video, generally about $250,000.00.

4. Band hits the road. Record company pays approximately $30k per month as tour support for the band.

5. Record label spends an additional $100-200k on promotions (Radio & TV ads, giveaways, etc.).

By the time the band's first record is complete, the video is shot and their out promoting, the band is in the hole to the record company by anywhere from $500k-750k before they even sell ONE RECORD. Once the band begins (hopefully) to sell records, they must pay the record company back for all of these advances (it's called "recoupment") before they see any earnings.

If the band flops, the band owes nothing contractually and the label takes a financial hit ("write off"). If the band meets or exceeds their recoupable amount, they then share in the profits, anywhere from 14-21% of the retail pricing.




Bootlegging and "being heard" aren't the same. The only way to get on radio is by promoters, whether it be the record labels or "independent" promoters.

The internet is great and all, but last year alone only 2% of ALL albums released in the United States sold more than 5,000 copies.

Do the math.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:20 PM   #12
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JFC, go back read the ****ing thread.

You couldn't be more ****ing clueless if you tried.
Its sad to know that my watching 4 movies and downloading a couple of dozen of very random songs that weren't on Itunes or Napster, caused the whole industry to collapse...

"You couldn't be more ****ing clueless if you tried" it goes the same way Dane, Your generalizations and continue finger pointing that I am stealing hollywood and LA out of under you, when its further from the truth than you are willing to admit.

But your not into that you just want to brow beat everyone...

At this point you can Die.....
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:25 PM   #13
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Its sad to know that my watching 4 movies and downloading a couple of dozen of very random songs that weren't on Itunes or Napster, caused the whole industry to collapse...

"You couldn't be more ****ing clueless if you tried" it goes the same way Dane, Your generalizations and continue finger pointing that I am stealing hollywood and LA out of under you, when its further from the truth than you are willing to admit.

But your not into that you just want to brow beat everyone...

At this point you can Die.....
Oh, **** you.

If you don't think that the actions of you and people like you aren't causing people to lose their jobs and that multimedia companies aren't losing money hand over fist, you're ****ing dumb.

And BTW, reerun, I haven't seen anyone in here tell you how to fly an airplane, but don't seem to have any problem telling people about THEIR business.

You're ****ing dumber than I could have possibly imagined.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:32 PM   #14
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Oh, **** you.

If you don't think that the actions of you and people like you aren't causing people to lose their jobs and that multimedia companies aren't losing money hand over fist, you're ****ing dumb.

And BTW, reerun, I haven't seen anyone in here tell you how to fly an airplane, but don't seem to have any problem telling people about THEIR business.

You're ****ing dumber than I could have possibly imagined.


Again, keep up with the blind assumptions. You still dont have a clue....

I tell you what.. For your blood pressure and dogs sake... Lets just avoid more of your tirades and not converse anymore...

At this point you cant even be rational anymore... You just keep yelling "justification for stealing"...
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:29 PM   #15
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Its sad to know that my watching 4 movies and downloading a couple of dozen of very random songs that weren't on Itunes or Napster, caused the whole industry to collapse...
Clearly, nobody is saying that. We get it. You aren't stealing a lot. You're stealing a little bit. Do you really think that makes it OK? How much stealing is too much stealing?
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