Chiefs Messing with bull and losing the Horne - Page 3

Red Beans · 08-24-2010, 09:02 AM

Ok, I know that the title of this thread is utterly reeruned. I am aware of it, so let's talk football.

I am under the impression that our WR from Mass, Mr. Horne, looks to be a pretty good wideout so far. While I understand we're only halfway through the preseason, he was open a few times in game one, and had our only TD in game two. In limited action it appears the game isn't too big for him, he has good size, hands, speed and he might make a nice addition to our WR core. While I'm not sure his performace warrants a jump to 2nd or 3rd string, I will say that aside form special teams, he has a bigger upside than Copper. He certainly has shown me more in limited action than Long, Urban, and Lawrence.

My concern is that we're going to cut him and then try and and sneak him on the practice squad. This will not work. I'm going to be as disappointed as Hog Farmer with a barn full of sows if we do this becasue someone will sign him to their 53. Count on it.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 08-24-2010, 11:41 AM

Well, we've seen copper the last two years and he is a complete waste of a roster spot on offense. His special teams play does NOT warrant keeping him. Give Horne tha chance to be that diamond in the rough we've never been able to find.

Just think, Horne sprints down the left side, Chambers down the right side Bowe and McCluster crossing over the middle. I'll bet Castille would gain 5 yards in that scenerio.

Red Beans · 08-24-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Well, we've seen copper the last two years and he is a complete waste of a roster spot on offense. His special teams play does NOT warrant keeping him. Give Horne tha chance to be that diamond in the rough we've never been able to find.

Just think, Horne sprints down the left side, Chambers down the right side Bowe and McCluster crossing over the middle. I'll bet Castille would gain 5 yards in that scenerio.

It seems that we've been clammoring for a WR to come out of nowhere since we let Joe Horn walk. Horne might be the guy, he might not. But if it comes down to him and Copper, we KNOW Copper isnt that diamond.

ToxSocks · 08-24-2010, 12:17 PM

I don't understand the obsession with Horne. He isn't taking Copper's spot. It isn't happening. get over it already.

Watch the special teams play in the Buccs game and Copper will show you why.

BTAU · 08-24-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by phillip

Sippio caught a preseason TD.
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I don't think it was while he was running with the 1st Team, which is what Red Beans was referring to.

**RealSNR** · 08-24-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I don't understand the obsession with Horne. He isn't taking Copper's spot. It isn't happening. get over it already.

Watch the special teams play in the Buccs game and Copper will show you why.

Exactly. Even if Horne moved up to 2 or 3 on the depth chart, I doubt his presence on the team would be worth it over what Copper can do for us.

That's the truth, folks. It's not sexy, it's not hopeful, and it doesn't give the Chiefs a shot at another bigtime receiver. But it makes the team better.

**buddha** · 08-24-2010, 12:36 PM

What exactly does Copper do for us SNR? Horne got open and at least caught a TD...he is making himself known out there. Copper gives us what?

wasi · 08-24-2010, 12:36 PM

I'm concerned about depth at QB, TE, C, CB

QB -Cassell, Croyle (2)
HB - Charles, Jones, Battle, Moore (4)
FB - Castille, Cox (2)
WR - Bowe, Chambers, McCluster, Copper, Horne (5)
TE - Pope, Moeaki, O'Connell (3)
LT - Albert, Richardson (2)
LG - Waters, Asamoah, Harris (3)
C - Weigmann (1)
RG - Lilja (1)
RT - O'Callaghan, Brown (2)

Offense = 25

DE - Dorsey, Jackson, Gilberry, Smith (4)
DT - Edwards, Lokey (2)
OLB - Hali, Vrabel, Studebaker, Sheffield, Walters (5)
ILB - Belcher, Williams, Johnson, Mays (4)
CD - Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Leggett, Richardson (5)
FS - Lewis, McGraw (2)
SS - Berry, Langford (2)

Defense = 24

Special Teams = 3

**RealSNR** · 08-24-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha

What exactly does Copper do for us SNR? Horne got open and at least caught a TD...he is making himself known out there. Copper gives us what?

He's an ace on special teams. Has been consistently for the entire time he's been with the team.

Also, Copper caught a REGULAR SEASON TD last season. It's not like Horne's one single preseason TD was an impressive route or anything.

Not dogging on Horne. Just saying, quit thinking Copper is dogshit compared to a ****ing UDFA rookie whose only accomplishment in the preseason has been a 6 yard TD.

Also, tell me all about Urban's value to the team. What has he done according to your system for assessing value for players?

Los Pollos Hermanos · 08-24-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wasi

I'm concerned about depth at QB, TE, C, CB

QB -Cassell, Croyle (2)
HB - Charles, Jones, Battle, Moore (4)
FB - Castille, Cox (2)
WR - Bowe, Chambers, McCluster, Copper, Horne (5)
TE - Pope, Moeaki, O'Connell (3)
LT - Albert, Richardson (2)
LG - Waters, Asamoah, Harris (3)
C - Weigmann (1)
RG - Lilja (1)
RT - O'Callaghan, Brown (2)

Offense = 25

DE - Dorsey, Jackson, Gilberry, Smith (4)
DT - Edwards, Lokey (2)
OLB - Hali, Vrabel, Studebaker, Sheffield, Walters (5)
ILB - Belcher, Williams, Johnson, Mays (4)
CD - Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Leggett, Richardson (5)
FS - Lewis, McGraw (2)
SS - Berry, Langford (2)

Defense = 24

Special Teams = 3

You think they will cut Niswanger?

Red Beans · 08-24-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

He's an ace on special teams. Has been consistently for the entire time he's been with the team.

Also, Copper caught a REGULAR SEASON TD last season. It's not like Horne's one single preseason TD was an impressive route or anything.

Not dogging on Horne. Just saying, quit thinking Copper is dogshit compared to a ****ing UDFA rookie whose only accomplishment in the preseason has been a 6 yard TD.

Also, tell me all about Urban's value to the team. What has he done according to your system for assessing value for players?

The reason Copper caught that pass was because no one was covering him. And why would they? Copper got ignored because he was never running plays with the O. Put Copper out there full time and he's dog shit. Horne, who knows? I'll take uncertainty over dog shit any day.

ToxSocks · 08-24-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha

What exactly does Copper do for us SNR? Horne got open and at least caught a TD...he is making himself known out there. Copper gives us what?

What does he do for us?

Remember that kick off return that Arenas had in the buccs game?

Go back and look at who had the key block that sprung him loose.

Watch how many times Copper is one of the first players, if not the first player to get his ass downfield to make a tackle on kick off coverage.

As far as Horne goes, he had a 6 yard TD grab. Big deal. There was nothing special there that makes you say, "oh damn, that guy is a gamer".

He was simply in the right place at the right time. Verron Tucker coulda made that play. Even on the deep pass that was overthrown to him in the falcons game, Horne failed to extend himself to make the play. He short armed it. That could've been caught IMO had he extended himself. The guy's body was damn near perfectly vertical when he attempted to make the catch.

Fumblerooski · 08-24-2010, 01:05 PM

It's probably been said already, but Horne does a good job, letting him walk would be a travesty.

ToxSocks · 08-24-2010, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Beans

The reason Copper caught that pass was because no one was covering him. And why would they? Copper got ignored because he was never running plays with the O. Put Copper out there full time and he's dog shit. Horne, who knows? I'll take uncertainty over dog shit any day.

So you wanna discount Copper's KEY special teams play for a WR that has shown nothing? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Horne will make PS. No doubt. Maybe he can make the team next year, who knows. Right now, i'd rather a special teams Ace rather than some scrub developmental player that wouldn't see the field behind Chambers, Bowe, McCluster & Urban.

**The Bad Guy** · 08-24-2010, 01:06 PM

4 RBs?

RightTttttttttttttttt.

ToxSocks · 08-24-2010, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasi

I'm concerned about depth at QB, TE, C, CB

QB -Cassell, Croyle, Palko (3)
HB - Charles, Jones, Battle, (3)
FB - Castille, (1)
WR - Bowe, Chambers, McCluster, Copper, Urban (5)
TE - Pope, Moeaki, O'Connell (3)
LT - Albert, Richardson (2)
LG - Waters, Asamoah, Harris (3)
C - Weigmann, Niswanger (1)
RG - Lilja (1)
RT - O'Callaghan, Brown (2)

Offense = 25

DE - Dorsey, Jackson, Gilberry, Smith (4)
DT - Edwards, Lokey (2)
OLB - Hali, Vrabel, Studebaker, Sheffield, Walters (5)
ILB - Belcher, Williams, Johnson, Mays (4)
CD - Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Washington, Daniels (5)
FS - Lewis, McGraw, Morgan (2)
SS - Berry, Langford (2)

Defense = 25

Special Teams = 3

FYP

08-24-2010, 09:02 AM
Red Beans Not dead yet... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Indian Creek Casino cash: $1659903	Messing with bull and losing the Horne Ok, I know that the title of this thread is utterly reeruned. I am aware of it, so let's talk football. I am under the impression that our WR from Mass, Mr. Horne, looks to be a pretty good wideout so far. While I understand we're only halfway through the preseason, he was open a few times in game one, and had our only TD in game two. In limited action it appears the game isn't too big for him, he has good size, hands, speed and he might make a nice addition to our WR core. While I'm not sure his performace warrants a jump to 2nd or 3rd string, I will say that aside form special teams, he has a bigger upside than Copper. He certainly has shown me more in limited action than Long, Urban, and Lawrence. My concern is that we're going to cut him and then try and and sneak him on the practice squad. This will not work. I'm going to be as disappointed as Hog Farmer with a barn full of sows if we do this becasue someone will sign him to their 53. Count on it.
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08-24-2010, 11:41 AM	#31
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1509523	Well, we've seen copper the last two years and he is a complete waste of a roster spot on offense. His special teams play does NOT warrant keeping him. Give Horne tha chance to be that diamond in the rough we've never been able to find. Just think, Horne sprints down the left side, Chambers down the right side Bowe and McCluster crossing over the middle. I'll bet Castille would gain 5 yards in that scenerio.
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08-24-2010, 12:17 PM	#33
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2063063	I don't understand the obsession with Horne. He isn't taking Copper's spot. It isn't happening. get over it already. Watch the special teams play in the Buccs game and Copper will show you why. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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08-24-2010, 12:36 PM	#36
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	What exactly does Copper do for us SNR? Horne got open and at least caught a TD...he is making himself known out there. Copper gives us what?
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08-24-2010, 12:36 PM	#37
wasi Planner of the Year Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kelowna, BC Casino cash: $7011655	I'm concerned about depth at QB, TE, C, CB QB -Cassell, Croyle (2) HB - Charles, Jones, Battle, Moore (4) FB - Castille, Cox (2) WR - Bowe, Chambers, McCluster, Copper, Horne (5) TE - Pope, Moeaki, O'Connell (3) LT - Albert, Richardson (2) LG - Waters, Asamoah, Harris (3) C - Weigmann (1) RG - Lilja (1) RT - O'Callaghan, Brown (2) Offense = 25 DE - Dorsey, Jackson, Gilberry, Smith (4) DT - Edwards, Lokey (2) OLB - Hali, Vrabel, Studebaker, Sheffield, Walters (5) ILB - Belcher, Williams, Johnson, Mays (4) CD - Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Leggett, Richardson (5) FS - Lewis, McGraw (2) SS - Berry, Langford (2) Defense = 24 Special Teams = 3
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08-24-2010, 01:06 PM	#44
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	4 RBs? RightTttttttttttttttt. __________________
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